<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"/></head><body style="font-family:Geneva,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Dear Nigel, > This will immediately cause a rise in the cost of running the RIPE as we will > be liable for Dutch corporation tax. Up until now the membership hasn't > wanted this. Yes, but if profit will be near 0, then Dutch corporation tax will be 20% * 0 euro = 0 euro. Lets see RIPE Budget for 2011 year. Profit 1 023 kEUR. Corporate tax: 25% (while profit >200kEUR). It is 256 kEUR. Total income: 18 550 kEUR. So real corporate tax is only 1,38% from our Income. The main Value which get any LIR from RIPE are IP adresses. So price must be depend from count of IPs. Most of members pay too high price in case when RIPE has non profit status. May be make sense to develop second budget and charging scheme in case when RIPE will be switch status from non profit to profit Organisation? <div> -- </div> <div> Alexey Ivanov LeaderTelecom Ltd.</div> 13.07.2012 23:41 - Nigel Titley написал(а): <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt" type="cite"> On 10/07/2012 11:06, Andrea Cocito wrote: > On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Nigel Titley wrote: >> ..... The purpose of >> publishing this proposal now is to encourage RIPE NCC members to look at >> the proposed new model and to give their feedback. > Hello, > > My feedback is: the proposal raises the cost for small LIR, reduces it the for extra large ones, does not simplify anything and does not promote resource conservation. > > The "limited resource" to conserve nowadays is IPv4 address space: make the fee EUR 0.1 per allocated IPv4 address, that would be fair and simple. > Andrea, in the previous round of discussions we said why we can't use an "n euros per address model". To re-iterate the argument, if we are seen to be "selling" IP addresses by the Dutch tax authorities then we lose our special tax status. This will immediately cause a rise in the cost of running the RIPE as we will be liable for Dutch corporation tax. Up until now the membership hasn't wanted this. Nigel ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: <a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view" target="_blank" title="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.</div> </body></html>