<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>As far as i can see my iPhone (4, newest iOS) obtains an IPv6 by DHCP6 from my carrier over 3G so it *should* be able to use it.</div><div>All my devices (iPhone, iPad, Android phone, my old Nokia even) get (and use + prefer) IPv6 in my home Wifi by DHCP6 from my Netgear router (which then tunnels to <a href="http://he.net">he.net</a> since</div><div>UPC Austria has no IPv6 officially).</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, that what follows is pretty offtopic - I'd like to share the IPv6 and IPv4 usage of some ISPs in Austria which might be interesting for you</div><div>since we are a rather small (both in population and size) but highly connected country used often as a testbed for new tech (highest 3G usage rate in the EU, first 3G network in the EU, highest LTE usage rate in the EU etc etc)</div><div><br></div><div>We have a few main ISPs here:</div><div>UPC</div><div>Telekom Austria</div><div><br></div><div>And some smaller ones like <a href="http://Hotze.com">Hotze.com</a> and local networks and the mobile ISPs.</div><div><br></div><div>So far you get a dynamic external IPv4 IP at most of them when using DSL, the smaller ISPs like Hotze and I3B usualy give one static IP per connection.</div><div>UPC gives a "semi" static IP at cable connections (DHCP lease time is somewhere 2030 - i have my IP since over a year now) and Blizznet/D-Light (FTTH providers) use only static IPs.</div><div><br></div><div>Hotze and I3B have IPv6 - The BIG ones (UPC, Telekom) have no IPv6 at all, neither for private nor for business customers.</div><div><br></div><div>Now the more interesting part, the mobile networks.</div><div>We have the "usual bunch":</div><div>Three (Drei)</div><div>Orange (was: One)</div><div>A1 (Telekom owned)</div><div>T-Mobile</div><div>Tele.Ring (was: Max Mobil)</div><div><br></div><div>Three by default NATs any customer in 3G services in 10.x - You can disable this at their customer panel and thus obtain a public IP which is a very nice feature and surely helps to save IPs.</div><div>Orange NATs in 192.168.x and seems to use public IPs sometimes when you are on EDGE - Business customers can obtain a static IPv4 for 1EUR / month.</div><div>A1 uses NAT exclusively</div><div>TMobile/Tele.Ring seem to use NAT also but i didn't try them.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As you can see much here is based on NAT (at least mobile)� now you may ask, what about IPv6?</div><div>Simply, IPv6 is not offered by ANY ISP here.</div><div><br></div><div>My best guess is that maybe 100k, if not less, people in Austria use or are able to use IPv6 (either native or tunneled).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>Am 05.06.2012 um 09:55 schrieb Gert Doering:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi,<br><br>On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:54:09AM +0200, Lu Heng wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">In which, tells us that if US can free us even half of it's IP address<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">space, that will supply us maybe another decades.<br></blockquote><br>This would be very ill-spent effort.<br><br>If we do the same stupid things a few more decades, like "write new software<br>with IPv4 only, sell millions of phones and other gadgets with IPv4 only",<br>migration to something reasonable will be much *harder*.<br><br>If we had done the IPv6 thing 5 years ago already, hardly any mobile<br>device would have been affected - today, there's millions of iThings and<br>Androids that don't support IPv6 on 3G - stupid and avoidable pain.<br><br>Gert Doering<br> -- NetMaster<br>-- <br>have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<br><br>SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard<br>Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann<br>D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)<br>Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279<br><br>----<br>If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss<br>mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page:<br><a href="https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view">https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view</a><br><br>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>