<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=DE-CH link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>Have a look at <a href="http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/faq/faq-general-resources">http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/faq/faq-general-resources</a><o:p></o:p> “IP addresses are a shared public resource and are not for sale.”<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>The fee you pay is not a fee for IP addresses, but a fee for supplied registration services by the RIPE NCC.<o:p></o:p><div><o:p> </o:p>Please also remember that by making an IP address an accountable ressources and sticking a price tag onto it, taxability in the Netherlands will change, yielding an approx. 25% increase in taxes (and fees).<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Since I’m a little bit fed up with this discussion now I hereby request to make the fee a real membership fee for the RIPE association; one member, one fee; budget divided by the number of members.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Best regards,<o:p></o:p>Ulf Kieber<o:p></o:p>Head of NOC<o:p></o:p>green.ch AG<o:p></o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of KOSMOZZ - Info Sent: Montag, 13. Februar 2012 19:26 To: Lu Heng; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>Hi Lu,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I was thinking the same. Why shouldn’t we all be billed for the amount we are using and may’be pay a fee for the amount that has been reserved and not used?<o:p></o:p>I’ll take this with me to the Taskforce currently brainstorming on Billing matters.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Filip Herman<o:p></o:p><a href="mailto:filip@kosmozz.be">filip@kosmozz.be</a> <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>KOSMOZZ -- <a href="http://www.kosmozz.be/">http://www.kosmozz.be</a> | Member of Internet Service Providers Belgium (<a href="http://www.ispa.be/">http://www.ispa.be</a>)<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p>Van: <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]">[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]</a> Namens Lu Heng Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 18:44 Aan: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Onderwerp: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Hi Colleagues:<o:p></o:p><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>Just had a whim about next year's membership fees, since Ripe will almost certain running out this year, why shouldn't we divided the membership fees as the percentage of the total recourse we have?(mostly IPv4)<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>The total amount of Ripe's IPv4 is known, and by end of this year, the total amount of each LIR's IPv4 is known as well.<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>So why should we just simpy do a math as LIR total amount address(L)/Ripe's total amount of address(R)*100%*Ripe's total need(TN)=Lir's yearly contribution(C)<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>So make the format simple:<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>C=(L/R*100%)*TN<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>Then I think it is "real fair". And as calculate the member fee based on the share of member in the organization's recourse's, it doesn't imply as "selling IP" rumor which has been the main reason we have categories rather than real fair solutions.<o:p></o:p></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>How you think, my colleagues, and this is just my 2 cents thought.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><o:p> </o:p></div>-- -- Kind regards. Lu This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received.<o:p></o:p></div></div></body></html>