Hi<div><br></div><div>Thanks for everybody's reply, I didn't expect so many replies:)</div><div><br></div><div>I think the best solution to solve the problem that large amount of companies holding huge amount of address--is not making Ripe a police force to check everybody's usage, Ripe NCC shouldn't be doing that as well as don't have the autherlization to do so.</div>
<div><br></div><div>A very simple solution would be, let the companies using more address to pay---that can really help reduce their willingness to hold address while they are not using it. In the real world, many goverment input very high property taxes are the same reason.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If people have to pay to hold, they normally will be more open to discussion the transfer.</div><div><br></div><div>Therefore it will reduce the IP transfer costs in the near future as well, which will be a great news for companies really need IPs.</div>
<div><br></div><div>With regards.</div><div><br></div><div>Lu</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:42 PM, William Weber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com">ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hello All,</div><div><br></div>Yes, this - unlike APNIC and iirc ARIN which are normal for-profit companys (if they really make one is not the point).<div>
Also, RIPE *should* not judge who are the good guys, not only for mandate reasons but also because this would not be neutral.</div><div><br><div><div><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium">--<br>
William<br>EDIS GmbH<br></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Am 14.02.2012 um 13:06 schrieb Simon Talbot:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple">
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<div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>LeaderTelecom Ltd.<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>14 February 2012 11:52 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Ben Fitzgerald-O'Connor<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>; Ulf Kieber; Cenk Keylan<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [members-discuss] [Ticket#2012021401001516] A Whim about next year's fees<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">IMHO, Smaller ISP’s can take the initiative with the move to IPV6 perhaps – we all need to<br>
> build momentum and start to deploy IPV6 in a big way, and to put in place 6to4 gateways<br>> and other such infrastructure to allow clients connected on IPV6 to access the whole<br>> Internet. </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
<br>More simple way - price for IPv4 will grow extremly fast during this and next year. When price for IPv4 will be more than price of migration to IPv6 - many operators will switch from IPv4 to IPv6. After that cost of IPv4 will goes down very fast. It will be second "Tulip fever".<br>
<br>--<br>Alexey Ivanov<br>General Director <br>LeaderTelecom Ltd<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">-- <br><br>При ответе сохраняйте [Ticket#2012021401001516] в теме письма.<br><br>-- <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
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<br>14.02.2012 15:09 - Ben Fitzgerald-O'Connor написал(а):<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:blue;border-left-width:1.5pt;padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:4pt">
<div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi All,</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">IMHO, Smaller ISP’s can take the initiative with the move to IPV6 perhaps – we all need to build momentum and start to deploy IPV6 in a big way, and to put in place 6to4 gateways and other such infrastructure to allow clients connected on IPV6 to access the whole Internet.<span> </span></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">In many ways smaller ISPs have an advantage over the big ISPs who will have huge amounts of work to do in moving from 4 to 6. In marketing we all also need to stop worrying about running out of IPV4 addresses and start to plan and put in IPV6 addresses. Clients should want to move to IPV6 – once moved across, then this work is done for the next 20 years or so. It has to be done, so we may as well get going and promote IPV6 as the ‘New Internet’ which it is.</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">New networks should start on IPV6 – this way they can be ahead of the curve from the start and have a little pain now in learning new ways of doing things but they save a lot of work later by doing this.<span> </span></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">IPV4 addresses are worth a lot now but in time they will be obsolete as IPV6 becomes mainstream and we all need to work to make that happen. Replacing old IPV4 only equipment with new equipment that supports IPV6 fully is a great sales opportunity. We need to grasp the nettle and move ahead on this.<span> </span></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regards</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ben</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Cenk Keylan<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>14 February 2012 09:57<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Ulf Kieber;<span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> <br></span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Ulf,</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">As IP4 is limited resource sure it must have a fee, else how will the new commers can access to the IP4 while the large ISP’s have millions of unused IP addresses which they have got from Ripe years ago. As a simple argument, we have an ISP in Turkey which even their license is taken back and they have 100K times more IP addresses then we have and nobody is asking tem to give the IP addresses back and they are keeping the IP4 block as the fee they pay for membership is not important then the IP4 block they are keeping in hand.</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Have a nice day,</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cenk Keylan</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="TR" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a><span> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]</a><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Ulf Kieber<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:47 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span lang="TR" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Have a look at<span> </span><a href="http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/faq/faq-general-resources" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/faq/faq-general-resources</a></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> “</span><span lang="EN" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">IP addresses are a shared public resource and are not for sale.”</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The fee you pay is not a fee for IP addresses, but a fee for supplied registration services by the RIPE NCC.</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Please also remember that by making an IP address an accountable ressources and sticking a price tag onto it, taxability in the Netherlands will change, yielding an approx. 25% increase in taxes (and fees).</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Since I’m a little bit fed up with this discussion now I hereby request to make the fee a real membership fee for the RIPE association; one member, one fee; budget divided by the number of members.</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best regards,</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><b><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ulf Kieber</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Head of NOC</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="http://green.ch" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">green.ch</a><span> </span>AG</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a><span> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]</a><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>KOSMOZZ - Info<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Montag, 13. Februar 2012 19:26<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Lu Heng;<span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">Hi Lu,</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">I was thinking the same. Why shouldn’t we all be billed for the amount we are using and may’be pay a fee for the amount that has been reserved and not used?</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">I’ll take this with me to the Taskforce currently brainstorming on Billing matters.</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">Kind regards,</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">Filip Herman</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"><a href="mailto:filip@kosmozz.be" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">filip@kosmozz.be</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> <span> </span></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">KOS</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,51,153)">MOZZ</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"><span> </span>--<span> </span></span><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"><a href="http://www.kosmozz.be/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">http://www.kosmozz.be</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> <br>
| Member of Internet Service Providers Belgium (</span><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"><a href="http://www.ispa.be/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">http://www.ispa.be</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)">)</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(89,89,89)"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a><span> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]</a><span> </span><b>Namens<span> </span></b>Lu Heng<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b><span> </span>maandag 13 februari 2012 18:44<br><b>Aan:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b><span> </span>[members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Hi Colleagues:</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Just had a whim about next year's membership fees, since Ripe will almost certain running out this year, why shouldn't we divided the membership fees as the percentage of the total recourse we have?(mostly IPv4)</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">The total amount of Ripe's IPv4 is known, and by end of this year, the total amount of each LIR's IPv4 is known as well.</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">So why should we just simpy do a math as LIR total amount address(L)/Ripe's total amount of address(R)*100%*Ripe's total need(TN)=Lir's yearly contribution(C)</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">So make the format simple:</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">C=(L/R*100%)*TN</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Then I think it is "real fair". And as calculate the member fee based on the share of member in the organization's recourse's, it doesn't imply as "selling IP" rumor which has been the main reason we have categories rather than real fair solutions.</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span lang="NL-BE" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">How you think, my colleagues, and this is just my 2 cents thought.</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
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