<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:x="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-2"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> Check this out from APNIC, they are long time ago to base on the ip resources for membership fee calculation, for your reference. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <a href="http://submit.apnic.net/cgi-bin/feecalc.pl">http://submit.apnic.net/cgi-bin/feecalc.pl</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> APNIC Annual Membership Fees Calculator<o:p></o:p> Use this tool as a guide to estimate APNIC fees based on a particular resource holding.<o:p></o:p> Enter the amount of IPv4 and IPv6 resources in the relevant fields using 'slash notation'.<o:p></o:p> <div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'> Top of Form<o:p></o:p> </div> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse'> <tr> <td style='padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'> IPv4<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style='padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'> eg. /23 + /24<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style='padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'> IPv6<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style='padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'> eg. /30 + /34 (maximum /56).<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style='padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'></td> <td style='padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt'> <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt; padding:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> Bottom of Form<o:p></o:p> </div> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse'> <tr> <td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td> </tr> </table> IPv4 and IPv6 calculations are done separately. The fee charged is the greater of the two results.<o:p></o:p> Your membership renewal invoices will be <a href="http://www.apnic.net/fees">calculated</a> based on your resource holdings assessed as at the date of your membership anniversary.<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Applies to members only<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Estimated fees are based on the higher of IPv4 or IPv6 fees<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Address holdings include current and historical resources<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>· <![endif]>Australian organizations are required to pay GST (Goods and Services Tax) on all APNIC fees<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Best regards,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Terry Choy<o:p></o:p> Planning & Development | Internet & Private Networks | Telstra International Group <o:p></o:p> Direct: +852 2983 3025<o:p></o:p> Email: <a href="mailto:terry.choy@team.telstra.com">terry.choy@team.telstra.com</a><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Cenk Keylan Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:57 PM To: Ulf Kieber; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Hi Ulf,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> As IP4 is limited resource sure it must have a fee, else how will the new commers can access to the IP4 while the large ISP’s have millions of unused IP addresses which they have got from Ripe years ago. As a simple argument, we have an ISP in Turkey which even their license is taken back and they have 100K times more IP addresses then we have and nobody is asking tem to give the IP addresses back and they are keeping the IP4 block as the fee they pay for membership is not important then the IP4 block they are keeping in hand.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Have a nice day,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Cenk Keylan<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td width=434 style='width:325.3pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0> <tr> <td width=434 style='width:325.3pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <img border=0 width=120 height=62 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CCEB43.30AC0DA0" alt="Description: cid:image003.jpg@01CB9D2E.07D77BD0"><o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=434 style='width:325.3pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> 3C1B Telekom�nikasyon ve Internet Hizmetleri<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=434 style='width:325.3pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Tepe Prime Plaza B101, Eski�ehir Yolu 9.km No:266<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=434 style='width:325.3pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> 06800 �ankaya Ankara Turkiye<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=434 style='width:325.3pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'> <tr> <td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Tel<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> : +90-312-988-0000<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Direkt<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> : +90-312-988-1015<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> Faks<o:p></o:p> </td> <td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> : +90-312-241-2888<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=434 style='width:325.3pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <a href="http://www.3c1b.com/">http://www.3c1b.com</a><o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=434 style='width:325.3pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <a href="mailto:info@3c1b.com">info@3c1b.com</a><o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Ulf Kieber Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:47 AM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Have a look at <a href="http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/faq/faq-general-resources">http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/faq/faq-general-resources</a><o:p></o:p> “IP addresses are a shared public resource and are not for sale.”<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The fee you pay is not a fee for IP addresses, but a fee for supplied registration services by the RIPE NCC.<o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> Please also remember that by making an IP address an accountable ressources and sticking a price tag onto it, taxability in the Netherlands will change, yielding an approx. 25% increase in taxes (and fees).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Since I’m a little bit fed up with this discussion now I hereby request to make the fee a real membership fee for the RIPE association; one member, one fee; budget divided by the number of members.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Best regards,<o:p></o:p> Ulf Kieber<o:p></o:p> Head of NOC<o:p></o:p> green.ch AG<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'> From: <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]">[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]</a> On Behalf Of KOSMOZZ - Info Sent: Montag, 13. Februar 2012 19:26 To: Lu Heng; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Hi Lu,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I was thinking the same. Why shouldn’t we all be billed for the amount we are using and may’be pay a fee for the amount that has been reserved and not used?<o:p></o:p> I’ll take this with me to the Taskforce currently brainstorming on Billing matters.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Kind regards,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Filip Herman<o:p></o:p> <a href="mailto:filip@kosmozz.be">filip@kosmozz.be</a> <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> KOSMOZZ -- <a href="http://www.kosmozz.be/">http://www.kosmozz.be</a> | Member of Internet Service Providers Belgium (<a href="http://www.ispa.be/">http://www.ispa.be</a>)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Van: <a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]">[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net]</a> Namens Lu Heng Verzonden: maandag 13 februari 2012 18:44 Aan: <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> Onderwerp: [members-discuss] A Whim about next year's fees<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Hi Colleagues:<o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> Just had a whim about next year's membership fees, since Ripe will almost certain running out this year, why shouldn't we divided the membership fees as the percentage of the total recourse we have?(mostly IPv4)<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> The total amount of Ripe's IPv4 is known, and by end of this year, the total amount of each LIR's IPv4 is known as well.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> So why should we just simpy do a math as LIR total amount address(L)/Ripe's total amount of address(R)*100%*Ripe's total need(TN)=Lir's yearly contribution(C)<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> So make the format simple:<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> C=(L/R*100%)*TN<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> Then I think it is "real fair". And as calculate the member fee based on the share of member in the organization's recourse's, it doesn't imply as "selling IP" rumor which has been the main reason we have categories rather than real fair solutions.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> How you think, my colleagues, and this is just my 2 cents thought.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> -- -- Kind regards. Lu This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received.<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </body> </html>