<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> FULL ACK You spoke like out of my soul... Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:Pine.LNX.4.58.0906181108220.814@scott.cb3rob.net" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Eh, I conclude that ripe actually is trying to push network operators to become a LIR, while actually those should be seperated functions, a LIR can just be an office with no network whatsoever, just like an insurance agent doesn't run the insurance company. Although they have done this for quite some time (asking our clients rediculous questions such as wether they would not rather become a LIR themselves eventhough they only operate a network for their own services). (and i'm getting pretty tired of them trying to do so and thereby preventing LIRs from doing what they are supposed to to in a swift and practical way, prolonging the process by several days to weeks and bugging LIR and clients with stupid questions) furthermore it's wrong that IP space is hereby assigned a monetary value, as the sole function of LIRs is to distribute that IP space to end-users, RIPE already gets plenty of cash from the LIRs just for being a LIR, requesting additional payment for PI space registrations is pretty much against the whole existing points-billing-model. Instead of asking 50 euros per assignment per ??year/month/cow/whatever??, it would make more sense to check if assignments are actually announced and if they are not, delete them after 3 years or so. also with the introduction of 32 bit AS numbers and IPv6 neither PI space, nor AS numbers are going to run out anywhere within our life time, so actually i don't see the point of even keeping them linked to the current points system at all, let alone introduce new fees. the whole idea behind the rirs and lirs is to -distribute- ip space, so that people don't just have to "grab their own". not to make money, should that become the case, we could just as well go back to the "just grab yourself some address space" approach like still is the case on some other larger linked networks. RIPE should not be in the business of trying to run a profit on it, their only purpose is to make sure the resources don't run out (which neither 32 bit AS numbers nor IPv6 PI space ever will, and IPv4 will become significantly less wanted before it even gets the chance to "run out" anyway). so this is a "solution" to a non-existing "problem".. besides, anyone looked at their concept-contract? it's like 3 meters long! wtf.. our "contracts" are usually verbal and go like "we will register some PI space for you, if you pay us EUR 2500 "Administration fee" for the work (and yes, due to RIPE's pain in the butt-ness regarding PI space, its a lot of work ;), for which you will receive an invoice which needs to be paid before $date". and that's about it and should suffice. (with most of our PI/AS clients, we do not actually route their network for them, they get local companies to do that for them.) </pre> </blockquote> -- Sven Wiese General Director I.C.S. "Trabia-Network" S.R.L. [t] +373 (22) 843104 [e] <a href="mailto:s.wiese@trabia.net">s.wiese@trabia.net</a> [i] <a href="http://www.trabia.net">www.trabia.net</a> <div style="width: 500px; text-align: justify;"> Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not in the addresses indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail.</div> </body> </html>