[members-discuss] Questions to RIPE NCC in light of last GM

You're not correct. You can ask your government for anything as long as 
it isn't classified information. And you're not gonna ask your 
government about count of servers they operate, how many packs of paper 
and pens they buy, count of cars they're using etc... and you probably 
won't even get such answer.

There's no reason to ask for such details on NCC. Yes, that's 
micro-management. And of course, answering such questions in meaningless 
details also costs some money, time needed for answer isn't cheap (for 
free). Wouldn't it be more useful to devote NCC employee's time to 
something that creates some real value?

Of course, if some data is stored for a long time (like RIPE RIS 
service), some space is required. That costs money. Every sane person 
can figure it out. And members have the opportunity to influence similar 
things through long-term strategies. Or you vote for a strategy and 
don't think about what it might cost?

I don't think that the expenses details of NCC are at insufficient 
level. As was mentioned already, ammount of informations NCC publish is 
at level, where most people haven't time to read such informations. And 
I think few people shouting here aren't reading them anyway. It's a lie 
that NCC doesn't communicate about budget and spending.

- Daniel

On 5/28/24 12:38 PM, George Porter wrote:
> Sorry , this is incorrect, asking questions is not micromanaging anything, its just asking for information. In the UK we can ask our members of parliament any question we want on government spending and what is spent where this is not micro managing the country . Its not about micro management, its just about asking for information. So just shut up and let RIPE answer the question, and further RIPE haven't done a good job, otherwise we wouldn't be so much communications about budget and spending.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Daniel Suchy via members-discuss
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 11:26 AM
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Cc: Daniel Suchy <danny at danysek.cz>
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Questions to RIPE NCC in light of last GM
> 
> Do you micromanage also your goverment in your country? ;-) I don't think so. You rather prefer to censor everything, don't you? :-)
> 
> Transparency level of RIPE NCC is very high. More than anything within your country. Rather you should start organizing your inland affairs in terms of transparency.
> 
> RIPE NCC operation does not need any fundamental changes, as far as transparency is concerned. On the contrary, you can learn from them how it should be done.
> 
> - Daniel
> 
> 
> On 5/27/24 1:11 PM, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote:
>> Its okay :)
>> Some members doesnt want transperancy.
>> Im happy about they leave comments and show their position.
>>
>>
>> Waiting next...
>>
>>
>> On 27.05.2024 10:56, Mihail Fedorov wrote:
>>> Pardon, am I reading it right?
>>>
>>> People here are praising lack of transparency and control as
>>> something good? Just because they don’t want to read reports? It’s insane.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf
>>>> Of Randy Bush
>>>> Sent: søndag 26. mai 2024 19:46
>>>> To: ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED <admin at roskomnadzor.io>
>>>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Questions to RIPE NCC in light of
>>>> last GM
>>>>
>>>>> No, Im already seen this article. Its same what are was been showed
>>>>> on GM. Its doesnt have detalization.
>>>>
>>>> i, for one, do not want detail.  if i wanted to micro-manage the
>>>> ncc, i would fill out a job application.  they have done an amazing
>>>> job for decades, and i trust them to keep doing so.  the extent of
>>>> the ncc's transparency is often more than i have time read.
>>>>
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