[members-discuss] Sustainability and diversity

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On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 3:16 PM Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf <
ripe-members at sebastian-graf.at> wrote:

> the "accepted by RIPE NCC members" is a really sore point for many from
> the looks.
>
> As far as this discussion has revealed:
>
> - the activity plan is put forward by the Board, with no mechanism to
> influence it directly. Certainly members may provide imputs or as some may
> have have called it during this discussion - complain, or put forward
> suggestions, but there is no direct mechanism for control, other than
> removing the board (wich really does not improve that situation, or
> anything related to stability). So the timing on this should not matter.
> There is no "official period" anyway.
>
> - As far as i can tell the Activity plan was never voted on. (feel free to
> correct me and link me to when the vote took place).
>
> - The activity plan also does not dictate how the charging should work. So
> i do not see why we cannot have a discussion about keeping fee levels the
> same and reducing reserves, or having a more differentiated charging scheme
> based on resources, tickets, or whatever other metric.
>
> Futhermore weather we regard this as "the wrong tree", i think 700 members
> taking the time to sign any type of petition should show that some things
> need to be re-evaluated and disucssed now, other than deferring to a later
> point.
>
> What i would also like to see (but sadly do not have the time to do) is
> count the number of unique member-addresses arguing for/against any
> charging scheme and/or activity plan in this discussion. How many where in
> favor, how many against? Just so that we have some numbers to go with this
> as well.
>
> I would also like to note that a productive conversation should always be
> able to take place. So as a sidenote i am actually quite surprised to find
> that people are trying to unsubscribe other members from the mailing list.
> After the last post i recieved until sending this response a couple of
> minutes later), 3 emails showing that someone tried to unsubscribe me from
> the list. Offending IP-Address: 185.162.48.60
>
> Regards
>
> On 5/16/24 2:48 PM, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote:
>
> On 16. 5. 24 14:33, Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf wrote:
>
> "put something forward"...
>
> Many members have put forward potential schemes on this list.
> Many members have put forward and voted for a point to be added to the
> agenda regarding the charging scheme (checking, this proposal has more
> than 700 signatures to date).
>
> To wich the boards reaction was basically  them not adding any options
> based on feedback.... Then when people appear to be complaing about
> that
>
> This has been repeated for the n-th time already.
>
> EB can't put an option of a lower budget (and members fee) on the agenda
> as they need to follow the (accepted by RIPE NCC members) activity plan
> and assure the budget for it. Period. At this point lower budget is not
> possible.
>
> You are all barking at the wrong tree. When the activity plan comes into
> a discussion at (and prior to the GM) - that's the time to start
> proposing changes if you really want them.
>
> Cheers, Jan
>
>
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