[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

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Dear Murat,

Sounds like you blame us to provide such service as static IP for part of our subscribers.
May be you also look to another part of our business, to our contribution in IPv6 internet access. I am curious, do you have same amount of IPv6 users ??

From: Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS <m.terzioglu at prebits.de>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 11:57 PM
To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net>
Cc: Mentor Leniqi <mentor.leniqi at albahost.net>; members-discuss at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

I think you dont exactly know, what RIPE NCC does.

Do you think, that the RIPE NCC is a supermarket? If i am not happy with it, i go to the next one?

I understand, of course it is for Kyivstar only benefit resource:

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Статична IP-адреса від Київстар ✅ Як встановити послугу за вигідною ціною<https://kyivstar.ua/home-internet-services/home-internet/static-ip>
kyivstar.ua<https://kyivstar.ua/home-internet-services/home-internet/static-ip>


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Am 15.05.2024 um 22:00 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>:


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Show, it is possible for EU company to be an ARIN member, but this requires some considerable effort.

And even in case you don't want to be an ARIN member, how it of contradict first part of my answer. Wich promises was given to new LIR in RIPE and stay unrelised?

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Отправлено: среда, мая 15, 2024 10:15:24 PM
Кому: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net<mailto:Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net>>
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Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

What does this tells to you: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 9:04 PM Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>> wrote:

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Ok, please show exact place in ARIN policy which restrict ARIN members to provide services for EU customers and work in EU.


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Кому: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net<mailto:Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net>>
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Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

For you not, but for ARIN, RIPE NCC, APNIC, etc.. do…

I dont know, if you already red the policies, but i did.


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Am 15.05.2024 um 20:37 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net<mailto:Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net>>:

Of course it is a reason if you disagree with RIPE policy and count RIPE as unfair organization.
When you became LIR nobody promise you that you will pay per /24 or you obtain IP take away from others.
So you shouldn’t have any unreleased promises.


Briefly I don’t any restriction became ARIN member and work in EU. Hope more experienced participants of mailing list correct me if I am wrong.
About resources of ARIN when you became ARIN member you can discuss it with them.



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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

For example if my customers are in eu and i work in eu and my operation is in eu, would that be a reason, why i work with RIPE NCC?

Show me the way for example, if it is possible to create a LIR on ARIN and work here in EU as a member of ARIN and with of course the resource of ARIN?



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Am 15.05.2024 um 19:27 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>:
Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named - "members fee" and it is members fee.

I don’t think current situation is discriminatory.
You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but not Ok with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same time. How it is possible ?
And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR for registry service if this organization so discriminatory  from your point of view ??

I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs according to RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to provide access to Internet for our subscribers.
And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people to internet. Hope same as you...


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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

It is not talk about "different members fee"!

It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs.

Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner organization for network management and interaction. And it is not at all a gathering of big players and address speculators.

Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources from different networks.
If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources, then we have clearly been doing something wrong all these years!

So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is?

If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about different
members fee ?

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Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

Dear Jan.

We have alternative look!
If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to
equal parts for every NCC member!

P.S.
Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes.

We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for
government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from
your salary and taxes too?

On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote:
If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have more
votes? Im think so - NO.

If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :)


In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE.
Why Big members must have more votes? They pay same as other!

If big members would pay significantly higher members fee price (due
to larger IPv4 space), then it's only logical that they would request
proportionally more votes at the GM :)

Do we really want that?

Cheers, Jan



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