[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

Hi

> On 15 May 2024, at 19:24, Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 07:00:21PM +0300, sdy at a-n-t.ru wrote:
>> It was done by you and LIRs like you! To do nothing 25 years to make
>> economic crisis model in international network addressing!
> 
> You should be very thankful to "LIRs like me" - because now you *did*
> get a /24, or a few, instead of "nothing".
> 
> The LIRs that were here for the last 20 years limited the amount of addresses
> they could receive, voluntarily, by various proposals how to deal with the
> diminishing IPv4 address space ("run-out fairly" proposal, "last /8
> allocation policy", etc.) - so *you* could still get some.
> 
> Also, we've been telling the world since 25 years(!) that they should
> move to IPv6, because IPv4 is running out, and will be expensive at some
> point... so indeed, it's very annoying that so many networks out there
> are still v4-only, requiring us all to provide v4 to our customers.

Sorry, but that’s terribly not true.

If you read this list somewhere in the beginning of this list mess you will find many biggest holders (ISPs) saying exactly this: we are not economically interested in solving problems of enabling IPv6 or doing IPv4 renumbering (e.g. currently using /16 where /24 is sufficient). They don’t care or sometimes even worse - doing that intentionally.

Exactly this networks (and not some general “world”) of 25 years ago are main reason other networks still need dual stack and hunting for any /24 they can get.
If you actually succeeded in what you say - this talk would never happen.

As already said: proportional fee is not about proportional/disproportional resource consumption. It’s a measurement perfectly indicating size of the company and it possibilities.

As well as perfect motivator to implement IPv6 and stop (un)intentionally hurting other networks.

As well as solution on how to properly finance additional things of activity plan (ATLAS, research) never needed or voted by some “new” members.

As well as solution to the existing poor scheme of “sponsoring” LIRs, which is different from other RIRs. eg on ARIN small resource holder can pay small fee directly to RIR without intermediate untrustable org.

> 
> Gert Doering
>       -- NetMaster
> --
> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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