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[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members
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Mentor Leniqi
mentor.leniqi at albahost.net
Wed May 15 22:04:57 CEST 2024
Mate, i really dont get you. Until proof was provided you was arguing that there is no issue with that, after you got with proofs, now you are arguing and replying to me something that i didnt asked about it! We are talking about something else, read the whole mail list replies and you will get it. Cheers. On Wed, 15 May 2024, 21:59 Evgeniy Brodskiy, <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> wrote: > Конфіденційно/Confidential > > Show, it is possible for EU company to be an ARIN member, but this > requires some considerable effort. > > And even in case you don't want to be an ARIN member, how it of contradict > first part of my answer. Wich promises was given to new LIR in RIPE and > stay unrelised? > > ------------------------------ > *От:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> от имени Mentor > Leniqi via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Отправлено:* среда, мая 15, 2024 10:15:24 PM > *Кому:* Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> > *Копия:* members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Тема:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > > What does this tells to you: > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use > > On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 9:04 PM Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss < > members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote: > >> Конфіденційно/Confidential >> >> Ok, please show exact place in ARIN policy which restrict ARIN members to >> provide services for EU customers and work in EU. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *От:* Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS <m.terzioglu at prebits.de> >> *Отправлено:* среда, мая 15, 2024 9:54:44 PM >> *Кому:* Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> >> *Копия:* sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru>; members-discuss at ripe.net < >> members-discuss at ripe.net> >> *Тема:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >> >> For you not, but for ARIN, RIPE NCC, APNIC, etc.. do… >> >> I dont know, if you already red the policies, but i did. >> >> >> -- >> >> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards >> >> *Murat TERZIOGLU* >> *PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions* >> >> >> >> Bochumer Str. 20 >> >> D-44866 Bochum >> >> >> >> Telefon: 0234/58825994 >> >> Telefax: 0234/58825995 >> >> >> >> www.prebits.de >> >> m.terzioglu at prebits.de >> >> >> >> USt-ID: DE315418902 >> >> Am 15.05.2024 um 20:37 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy < >> Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net>: >> >> >> >> Of course it is a reason if you disagree with RIPE policy and count RIPE >> as unfair organization. >> >> When you became LIR nobody promise you that you will pay per /24 or you >> obtain IP take away from others. >> >> So you shouldn’t have any unreleased promises. >> >> >> >> >> >> Briefly I don’t any restriction became ARIN member and work in EU. Hope >> more experienced participants of mailing list correct me if I am wrong. >> >> About resources of ARIN when you became ARIN member you can discuss it >> with them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS <m.terzioglu at prebits.de> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2024 8:38 PM >> *To:* Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> >> *Cc:* sdy at a-n-t.ru; members-discuss at ripe.net >> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >> >> >> >> For example if my customers are in eu and i work in eu and my operation >> is in eu, would that be a reason, why i work with RIPE NCC? >> >> >> >> Show me the way for example, if it is possible to create a LIR on ARIN >> and work here in EU as a member of ARIN and with of course the resource of >> ARIN? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards >> >> *Murat TERZIOGLU* >> *PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions* >> >> >> >> Bochumer Str. 20 >> >> D-44866 Bochum >> >> >> >> Telefon: 0234/58825994 >> >> Telefax: 0234/58825995 >> >> >> >> www.prebits.de >> >> m.terzioglu at prebits.de >> >> >> >> USt-ID: DE315418902 >> >> >> >> Am 15.05.2024 um 19:27 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss < >> members-discuss at ripe.net>: >> >> Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named - "members >> fee" and it is members fee. >> >> I don’t think current situation is discriminatory. >> You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but not >> Ok with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same time. How it >> is possible ? >> And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR for >> registry service if this organization so discriminatory from your point of >> view ?? >> >> I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs according >> to RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to provide access to >> Internet for our subscribers. >> And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people to >> internet. Hope same as you... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of >> sdy at a-n-t.ru >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 7:19 PM >> To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> >> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >> >> It is not talk about "different members fee"! >> >> It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we >> have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs. >> >> Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner >> organization for network management and interaction. And it is not at all a >> gathering of big players and address speculators. >> >> Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources from >> different networks. >> If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources, then >> we have clearly been doing something wrong all these years! >> >> So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is? >> >> >> If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about different >> >> members fee ? >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> От: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> от имени >> >> sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru> >> >> Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM >> >> Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan at go6.si> >> >> Копия: members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net> >> >> Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >> >> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >> >> >> >> Dear Jan. >> >> >> >> We have alternative look! >> >> If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to >> >> equal parts for every NCC member! >> >> >> >> P.S. >> >> Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes. >> >> >> >> We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for >> >> government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from >> >> your salary and taxes too? >> >> >> >> On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote: >> >> If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have more >> >> votes? Im think so - NO. >> >> >> >> If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :) >> >> >> >> >> >> In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE. >> >> Why Big members must have more votes? 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