[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members
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Mentor Leniqi
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Wed May 15 21:11:49 CEST 2024
What does this tells to you: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 9:04 PM Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss < members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote: > Конфіденційно/Confidential > > Ok, please show exact place in ARIN policy which restrict ARIN members to > provide services for EU customers and work in EU. > > > ------------------------------ > *От:* Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS <m.terzioglu at prebits.de> > *Отправлено:* среда, мая 15, 2024 9:54:44 PM > *Кому:* Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> > *Копия:* sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru>; members-discuss at ripe.net < > members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Тема:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > > For you not, but for ARIN, RIPE NCC, APNIC, etc.. do… > > I dont know, if you already red the policies, but i did. > > > -- > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards > > *Murat TERZIOGLU* > *PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions* > > > > Bochumer Str. 20 > > D-44866 Bochum > > > > Telefon: 0234/58825994 > > Telefax: 0234/58825995 > > > > www.prebits.de > > m.terzioglu at prebits.de > > > > USt-ID: DE315418902 > > Am 15.05.2024 um 20:37 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy < > Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net>: > > > > Of course it is a reason if you disagree with RIPE policy and count RIPE > as unfair organization. > > When you became LIR nobody promise you that you will pay per /24 or you > obtain IP take away from others. > > So you shouldn’t have any unreleased promises. > > > > > > Briefly I don’t any restriction became ARIN member and work in EU. Hope > more experienced participants of mailing list correct me if I am wrong. > > About resources of ARIN when you became ARIN member you can discuss it > with them. > > > > > > > > *From:* Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS <m.terzioglu at prebits.de> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2024 8:38 PM > *To:* Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> > *Cc:* sdy at a-n-t.ru; members-discuss at ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > > > > For example if my customers are in eu and i work in eu and my operation is > in eu, would that be a reason, why i work with RIPE NCC? > > > > Show me the way for example, if it is possible to create a LIR on ARIN and > work here in EU as a member of ARIN and with of course the resource of > ARIN? > > > > > > > > -- > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards > > *Murat TERZIOGLU* > *PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions* > > > > Bochumer Str. 20 > > D-44866 Bochum > > > > Telefon: 0234/58825994 > > Telefax: 0234/58825995 > > > > www.prebits.de > > m.terzioglu at prebits.de > > > > USt-ID: DE315418902 > > > > Am 15.05.2024 um 19:27 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss < > members-discuss at ripe.net>: > > Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named - "members > fee" and it is members fee. > > I don’t think current situation is discriminatory. > You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but not Ok > with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same time. How it is > possible ? > And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR for > registry service if this organization so discriminatory from your point of > view ?? > > I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs according to > RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to provide access to > Internet for our subscribers. > And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people to > internet. Hope same as you... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of > sdy at a-n-t.ru > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 7:19 PM > To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > > It is not talk about "different members fee"! > > It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we > have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs. > > Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner organization > for network management and interaction. And it is not at all a gathering of > big players and address speculators. > > Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources from > different networks. > If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources, then we > have clearly been doing something wrong all these years! > > So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is? > > > If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about different > > members fee ? > > > > ________________________________ > > От: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> от имени > > sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru> > > Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM > > Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan at go6.si> > > Копия: members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net> > > Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] > > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > > > > Dear Jan. > > > > We have alternative look! > > If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to > > equal parts for every NCC member! > > > > P.S. > > Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes. > > > > We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for > > government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from > > your salary and taxes too? > > > > On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote: > > If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have more > > votes? Im think so - NO. > > > > If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :) > > > > > > In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE. > > Why Big members must have more votes? 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