[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

This works as long as NCC members agree to the rising payments.
It looks like something is changing. I think if NCС ignores this, it will
end not good.
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Serbulov Dmitry

> Dmitry, and why should they do that? Who cares about small
> members/comunnity? It is clear that those with big resource holders nor
> RIPE NCC don't want that, a proof you have with lates charging scheme with
> no option to refuse, and even if you abstain, it is enough 27 LIR members
> to vote and policy accepted!
> The majority who was and is against this? Leave it or take it, nobody
> cares
> about your voice as long as its in RIPE NCC and big boys interest :)
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 7:50 PM <sdy at a-n-t.ru> wrote:
>
>> You still don't understand.
>>
>> We didn't just agree to the rules (Ok), we all became equal members of
>> the
>> community. And this community can change the rules in their common
>> interests.
>>
>> Obviously, most of the LIRs are not satisfied with the current situation
>> with a lack of access to resources and growing payments.
>> So the rules need to be changed. And apparently 7% of those who own 84%
>> of
>> the resources will have to pay much more or release scarce resources.
>>
>> It's in the best interest of the whole community.
>> ----
>> Serbulov Dmitry
>>
>> > Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named -
>> "members
>> > fee" and it is members fee.
>> >
>> > I don’t think current situation is discriminatory.
>> > You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but
>> not
>> Ok
>> > with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same time. How
>> it
>> > is possible ?
>> > And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR
>> for
>> > registry service if this organization so discriminatory  from your
>> point
>> > of view ??
>> >
>> > I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs
>> according
>> to
>> > RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to provide access
>> to
>> > Internet for our subscribers.
>> > And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people
>> to
>> > internet. Hope same as you...
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of
>> > sdy at a-n-t.ru
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 7:19 PM
>> > To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net>
>> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
>> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM]
>> > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members
>> >
>> > It is not talk about "different members fee"!
>> >
>> > It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we
>> > have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs.
>> >
>> > Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner
>> organization
>> > for network management and interaction. And it is not at all a
>> gathering
>> > of big players and address speculators.
>> >
>> > Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources
>> from
>> > different networks.
>> > If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources,
>> then
>> we
>> > have clearly been doing something wrong all these years!
>> >
>> > So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is?
>> >
>> >> If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about
>> different
>> >> members fee ?
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> От: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> от имени
>> >> sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru>
>> >> Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM
>> >> Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan at go6.si>
>> >> Копия: members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net>
>> >> Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM]
>> >> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members
>> >>
>> >> Dear Jan.
>> >>
>> >> We have alternative look!
>> >> If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to
>> >> equal parts for every NCC member!
>> >>
>> >> P.S.
>> >> Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes.
>> >>
>> >> We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for
>> >> government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from
>> >> your salary and taxes too?
>> >>
>> >>> On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote:
>> >>>> If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have
>> more
>> >>>> votes? Im think so - NO.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :)
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE.
>> >>>> Why Big members must have more votes? They pay same as other!
>> >>>
>> >>> If big members would pay significantly higher members fee price (due
>> >>> to larger IPv4 space), then it's only logical that they would
>> request
>> >>> proportionally more votes at the GM :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Do we really want that?
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers, Jan
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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С уважением Сербулов Дмитрий
ООО "Альфа Нет Телеком"
+7(498)785-8-000 раб.
+7(495)940-92-11 доп.
+7(925)518-10-69 сот.