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Wed May 15 20:08:06 CEST 2024
This works as long as NCC members agree to the rising payments. It looks like something is changing. I think if NCС ignores this, it will end not good. ---- Serbulov Dmitry > Dmitry, and why should they do that? Who cares about small > members/comunnity? It is clear that those with big resource holders nor > RIPE NCC don't want that, a proof you have with lates charging scheme with > no option to refuse, and even if you abstain, it is enough 27 LIR members > to vote and policy accepted! > The majority who was and is against this? Leave it or take it, nobody > cares > about your voice as long as its in RIPE NCC and big boys interest :) > > On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 7:50 PM <sdy at a-n-t.ru> wrote: > >> You still don't understand. >> >> We didn't just agree to the rules (Ok), we all became equal members of >> the >> community. And this community can change the rules in their common >> interests. >> >> Obviously, most of the LIRs are not satisfied with the current situation >> with a lack of access to resources and growing payments. >> So the rules need to be changed. And apparently 7% of those who own 84% >> of >> the resources will have to pay much more or release scarce resources. >> >> It's in the best interest of the whole community. >> ---- >> Serbulov Dmitry >> >> > Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named - >> "members >> > fee" and it is members fee. >> > >> > I don’t think current situation is discriminatory. >> > You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but >> not >> Ok >> > with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same time. How >> it >> > is possible ? >> > And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR >> for >> > registry service if this organization so discriminatory from your >> point >> > of view ?? >> > >> > I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs >> according >> to >> > RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to provide access >> to >> > Internet for our subscribers. >> > And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people >> to >> > internet. Hope same as you... >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of >> > sdy at a-n-t.ru >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 7:19 PM >> > To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> >> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net >> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >> > Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >> > >> > It is not talk about "different members fee"! >> > >> > It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we >> > have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs. >> > >> > Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner >> organization >> > for network management and interaction. And it is not at all a >> gathering >> > of big players and address speculators. >> > >> > Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources >> from >> > different networks. >> > If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources, >> then >> we >> > have clearly been doing something wrong all these years! >> > >> > So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is? >> > >> >> If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about >> different >> >> members fee ? >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> От: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> от имени >> >> sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru> >> >> Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM >> >> Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan at go6.si> >> >> Копия: members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net> >> >> Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >> >> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >> >> >> >> Dear Jan. >> >> >> >> We have alternative look! >> >> If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to >> >> equal parts for every NCC member! >> >> >> >> P.S. >> >> Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes. >> >> >> >> We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for >> >> government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from >> >> your salary and taxes too? >> >> >> >>> On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote: >> >>>> If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have >> more >> >>>> votes? Im think so - NO. >> >>> >> >>> If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :) >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE. >> >>>> Why Big members must have more votes? 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