[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

Sorry Murat,  but according to your logic “RIPE NCC is monopoly” why you are not argue to IANA ??

Or even more you can try to create one more RIR with much more fair resource allocation. As I see for you RIPE with its "unfair rules" so inconvenient to obtain registry service so nothing should stop you to create more fair organization.
I believe companies with 20, 25 years contribution made existence of RIPE even possible will live here.

From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS
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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

Hi,

RIPE NCC is not a Member Organisation, is a Member Organisation, who is a Regional Internet Registry (RIR) responsible for allocating and managing IP addresses and Autonomous System Numbers (ASNs) for Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia..

So main part of the members are member because they need resources.

Which resources? The resources, which are unique!

So yes, RIRs are monopoly! RIPE NCC is monopoly, because there is no place to get the resource for the europen region.

And the people as you, they are working for large resource holders, of course want them to pay for the resource they use lower… Possibly all the costs will be paid from the small LIRs.

Why because you are older in the world than the others…

Stone age thinking!!! Doesnt work forever… You will see, it will change! If not, there wont be a “stable future” for RIPE NCC, as our EB tells…





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Am 15.05.2024 um 17:09 schrieb Gert Doering <gert at space.net<mailto:gert at space.net>>:
Hi,

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 05:03:34PM +0200, m.terzioglu at prebits.de<mailto:m.terzioglu at prebits.de> wrote:

You have:
10 x IPv4 Allocations
2 x IPv6 Allocations
2 x ASNs

You will pay with the new charging scheme between 2600 - 2900??? yearly.

Your 10 x IPv4 Subnets includes more than 400 x /24 IPv4 subnets.

This has a commercial benefit.

We have paid RIPE fees for over 25 years now.  Maybe we have paid enough,
and only the newcomers should pay now?

Silly arguments can be made in all directions.


Than pay to our non-profit Organization, RIPE NCC, proportional
as your commercial benefit from our "Internet" for community building,
training, ATLAS, EB, Office, HR, etc... proportional from/for all
the costs..

I've been around for a while, and helped build all this, which you want
for free now.  So, yes.  We do pay for this, and we do not complain (except
if they do silly "MOVE IT ALL TO THE CLOUD" proposals, or build ticket
systems from hell).


Using the whole Internet Resources so much as you have, but pay for that unequal...

But I am sure, you think your benefit and want to pay for your resource as low as possible...

This is a member organization.  Every member has one vote, and pays the
same amount of money.

We're not paying for resources, we pay for membership.

If you do not want to be a member, then don't.  But then do not complain
that you can't play with the other kids.

Gert Doering
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