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Murat Terzioglu | PREBITS
m.terzioglu at prebits.de
Wed May 15 19:38:25 CEST 2024
For example if my customers are in eu and i work in eu and my operation is in eu, would that be a reason, why i work with RIPE NCC? Show me the way for example, if it is possible to create a LIR on ARIN and work here in EU as a member of ARIN and with of course the resource of ARIN? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS - Premium Business IT Solutions Bochumer Str. 20 D-44866 Bochum Telefon: 0234/58825994 Telefax: 0234/58825995 www.prebits.de m.terzioglu at prebits.de USt-ID: DE315418902 > Am 15.05.2024 um 19:27 schrieb Evgeniy Brodskiy via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>: > > Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named - "members fee" and it is members fee. > > I don’t think current situation is discriminatory. > You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but not Ok with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same time. How it is possible ? > And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR for registry service if this organization so discriminatory from your point of view ?? > > I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs according to RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to provide access to Internet for our subscribers. > And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people to internet. Hope same as you... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of sdy at a-n-t.ru > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 7:19 PM > To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy at kyivstar.net> > Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members > > It is not talk about "different members fee"! > > It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs. > > Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner organization for network management and interaction. And it is not at all a gathering of big players and address speculators. > > Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources from different networks. > If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources, then we have clearly been doing something wrong all these years! > > So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is? > >> If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about different >> members fee ? >> >> ________________________________ >> От: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> от имени >> sdy at a-n-t.ru <sdy at a-n-t.ru> >> Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM >> Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan at go6.si> >> Копия: members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net> >> Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] >> Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members >> >> Dear Jan. >> >> We have alternative look! >> If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to >> equal parts for every NCC member! >> >> P.S. >> Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes. >> >> We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for >> government in your country, do you proceed your votes numbers from >> your salary and taxes too? >> >>>> On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote: >>>>> If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have more >>>>> votes? Im think so - NO. >>> >>> If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :) >>> >>>> >>>> In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE. >>>> Why Big members must have more votes? They pay same as other! >>> >>> If big members would pay significantly higher members fee price (due >>> to larger IPv4 space), then it's only logical that they would request >>> proportionally more votes at the GM :) >>> >>> Do we really want that? >>> >>> Cheers, Jan >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss at ripe.net >>> https://lis/ >>> ts.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss&data=05%7C02%7CEvg >>> eniy.Brodskiy%40kyivstar.net%7C5e94b025607a4aeff95308dc74fada14%7Cf8f >>> 9bd573bba4300a6ec3b8e70a30986%7C0%7C0%7C638513867961755557%7CUnknown% >>> 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJ >>> XVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8%2Fi1iRoNvI7tGvWJhCDBg0Zx4SHYAYssglZW >>> 48G2LeI%3D&reserved=0<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/ >>> ?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-disc >>> 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