[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

Hi Daniel,

You can see the resolution on the Charging Scheme was passed unanimously at
the 174th Board Meeting. The minutes are at:

https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2024/174th-executive-board-meeting-minutes/

The mail from the Board Chair explaining its reasoning was also signed by
the full Board:

https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2024-May/001713.html

And on recalling the Board, Rob's message indeed points to the relevant
part of the Articles of Association.

The Open House for meeting the Board candidates is tomorrow and people can
still sign up for that:

https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/open-house/meet-the-may-2024-executive-board-candidates/

And I'm glad you bring attention to the Board candidate mailing list.
People can subscribe here to ask questions and have discussions with the
candidates:

https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists/executive-board-candidates/


All the best,

Fergal

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 2:06 PM Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net>
wrote:

> Hi Fergal,
>
> Thanks for that clarification, I can't help but feel like this "choice"
> was carefully crafted in how it has been presented to the membership base
> to ensure that regardless of what "choice" we make, the board is going to
> get what they want, which is to raise fee's and sustain an even higher
> budget.
>
> It's quite obvious that a large portion of the membership is firmly
> against this:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/ , as of
> this date, 711 individual LIR's supported a motion to maintain the old
> charging scheme.
>
> We've been "told" that such a motion cannot be made by the membership and
> "must" come from the EB, which is highly debatable.
>
> You now confirm that members, *regardless of their action* have no voice
> in the matter and *some* form of price change to the charging scheme will
> occur even if only a single member votes for it.
>
> Since we're on the topic of discussions, I noticed something that was
> ignored previously, and I cannot seem to find in the EB meeting minutes.
>
> Which board members voted FOR this charging scheme and which members
> abstained or voted against this charging scheme.
>
> Second question, how many members need to support a proposal to recall
> board members and force a new election? It seems that may be the only way
> we will actually see any progress on this matter is to fully replace the
> board of directors.
>
> Daniel~
>
> On 5/14/24 6:33 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> In that scenario, only 50 members would be voting and 950 would be
> abstaining from the vote. So 26 would be the target needed for a resolution
> to achieve a majority and pass.
>
> The Articles of Association provide more details on how the voting works,
> but they do note that "Abstentions and invalid votes shall be considered as
> not having been cast. All votes, both valid and invalid, and all
> abstentions shall be recorded in the minutes."
>
>
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-818/#article-18-general-meeting-voting
>
> All the best,
> Fergal
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 1:16 PM Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Fergal,
>>
>> Would you not require a majority vote on each item for it to be adopted?
>>
>> If for example, we have 1,000 members registered to vote, but 950 of them
>> abstained from voting on the charging scheme, surely you could not in good
>> conscious pass any of the options?
>>
>> Daniel~
>>
>> On 5/14/24 6:12 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Clément,
>>
>> The Abstain option will be there for all resolutions and for the Board
>> election, and this will indeed be reflected in the reporting as usual.
>>
>> And although the Abstains are recorded, they don't count towards the
>> results of the vote. Only the preferential choices count towards the
>> result. And it's worth pointing out that for the charging scheme vote,
>> members can vote for all three options in order of preference, or they can
>> choose just one or two options.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Fergal
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 11:15 AM Clement Cavadore via members-discuss <
>> members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2024-05-13 at 13:32 +0200, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote:
>>> > Yes, but those votes need to happen at the GM, not on the mailing
>>> > list :)
>>>
>>> Actually, I have no clue on what to vote at next GM regarding the
>>> charging scheme. None of the proposal is OK with what I would like to
>>> see.
>>>
>>> I hope the abstain option will be taken into consideration. I wouldn't
>>> like not to vote, as my opinion won't be reflected if I simply do not
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Clément Cavadore
>>>
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