[members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available

Always with the same thing.

WHY must the fee's go up? WHY is the equivalent to an internet phone 
book listing SO expensive?
If we drop several thousand LIR's then should RIPE not downsize, it's 
obviously serving less members and should have far much less work to do!

It's just like any business, if you have 25,000 clients you can afford 
to have 100 staff.

If within 5 years you now have 15,000 clients, you should have 75 staff, 
not raise your prices because you are afraid to fire staff. RIPE is a 
member driven organization and it should accurately reflect the will of 
it's members and as a member I say NO to changing the fee structure and 
that RIPE needs to tighten its belt like everyone else. If membership is 
shrinking then RIPE needs to shrink along side it!

If RIPE shrinks so much as you claim, HOW can you justify such a huge 
budget!

Let's not forget, if you want the 'whales' to pay significantly more 
than you, trust me, they will make sure their voice is heard far more 
than yours. After all if you pay 1,000, and I pay 100,000 , why should 
your opinion matter to me? We are no longer equal are we?

Daniel~



On 3/29/24 10:06, ivaylo wrote:
>
>> So if we really go for something based on allocation size, adding a
>> yearly depreciation factor in would make this "more fair" (... we've
>> been paying our share for the last 29(!) years already).
>
> Following this logic, as older one company is as less government taxes 
> should pay ?
>
> If all LIRs pay same amount, they _MUST_ have same rights and hold 
> same resources. If we dont change the things now, the future of RIPE 
> is dark really dark. In next 5-10 years number of LIR members will go 
> dramatically down, fees will go up. The IT market in europe will 
> consolidate faster. No new bussiness will start and there will be non 
> stop RIPE budged cuts. In the end RIPE will gone. there will be 15-20 
> mastodont companies which will not need organization like RIPE.
>
> Let's make things fair for all. Now (after 30 years developing 
> bussines) can you tell your company is on same level with same money 
> turnover as deutsche telekom for example ? Because you pay as much as 
> DT for completely different bussiness scales.
>
>
> Ivaylo Josifov
> VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
> +359 52 969393
> Varna, Bulgaria
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Gert Doering wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 07:04:30PM +0100, Andrea Borghi wrote:
>>> My humble proposal is to class basing on how many additional 
>>> resources a
>>> company have beyond the basics that was valid at the time of joining 
>>> Ripe.
>>
>> ... and possibly how old these resources are... we got our blocks in
>> 1995/1996, and they are considered "large" by today's standards.  Back
>> then, it was what you got as a fast-growing small ISP...
>>
>> So if we really go for something based on allocation size, adding a
>> yearly depreciation factor in would make this "more fair" (... we've
>> been paying our share for the last 29(!) years already).
>>
>> Gert Doering
>>        -- NetMaster
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