[members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available

Every Year we talking same things and every year the result is zero...

Clearly it is not fair company which holds /22 IPV4 /32 IPV6 and few ASN 
to pay same amount as a company with /8 IPV4 /20 IPV6 and tens (if not 
hundreds) ASNs.

Clearly charging scheme based on the holded resource not accepting. Well 
then why not we think about hard coded resource limits for each member:

Annual fee of 1500 Euro per LIR gives :
1 x /20 Block of IPV4 (sum can be 16 x /24 or 4 x /22)
1 x /29 Block of IPV6 (sum can be 8 x /32...)
8 x ASNs

If a LIR pass one or more of the above parameters the applied Annual fee 
+1500 Euro, so such LIR can hold and manage:

2 x /20 Block of IPV4 (sum)
2 x /29 Block of IPV6 (sum)
16 x ASN

If again pass one or more of these +1500 Euro and so on.


RIPE to send emails to each member with calculation for its next year fee, 
and with ask to free resources and return back to RIPE. Newly freed 
resources to be spread across members who not reach the first target (or 
at least to can ask for new resources without additional fee):

1 x /20 Block of IPV4 (sum can be 16 x /24 or 4 x /22 e.t.c.)
1 x /29 Block of IPV6 (sum can be 8 x /32... e.t.c)
8 x ASNs

To legacy resource holders to be given 1 year, to find sponsoring LIR, and 
their resources to be counted in the LIR account sum resources. Or to be 
asked to become LIRs, with 500 euro one pay joining fee.



This way RIPE can predict and calculate its bugdet much better.



Ivaylo Josifov
VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
+359 52 969393
Varna, Bulgaria


On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Firma KOMPEX wrote:

> Hi
>
> it would be fair if the resource was not valued as a resource
> only as the number of IPs
> IP should be the basis for settlement - it is actually a cost
> there is a shortage of addresses, and some people have a lot of them unused
> and do not return them.
> If they paid for the addresses and it was a cost for them, they would wonder
> whether they really need them or whether it would be better to return some
> of them.
>
> Pozdrawiam
> Gabriel Sulka
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Gert
> Doering
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 12:49 PM
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> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House:
> Recording and Slides Available
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 07:04:30PM +0100, Andrea Borghi wrote:
>> My humble proposal is to class basing on how many additional resources
>> a company have beyond the basics that was valid at the time of joining
> Ripe.
>
> ... and possibly how old these resources are... we got our blocks in
> 1995/1996, and they are considered "large" by today's standards.  Back then,
> it was what you got as a fast-growing small ISP...
>
> So if we really go for something based on allocation size, adding a yearly
> depreciation factor in would make this "more fair" (... we've been paying
> our share for the last 29(!) years already).
>
> Gert Doering
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