[members-discuss] GM topic

Hi.

I and my clients LIRs support this proposal despite RIPE board replied multiple times it’s not discussable question.

I honestly believe RIPE can not ignore members and decide budget and fees on their own without community. Timeframe given for discussion was extremely small and no input from members was heard.

Also proposal just today gained 168 votes (at the moment I’m writing this) and that clearly indicates that’s not minority like some other members say.

If we can not agree on fee scheme suitable for everyone - we are required to stick to current fee and not raise it, that’s my opinion.

> On 25 Apr 2024, at 1:33, M. Omer GOLGELI via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:
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> I agree with this kind of logic.
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> If 59% of RIPE NCC's yearly budget goes to salaries, then either that or the reason behind that should be handled instead of asking people to pay more. We all knew the number of LIRs would be decreasing with the exhaustion of IPv4 space. We need a sustainable solution that will make better sense for all, not just for some.
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> A LIR with a single assignment shouldn't be paying the same amount (or a few hundred less) compared to a LIR with a /8 and hundreds of ASNs, tickets etc. Due to using more assignments, having more needs, if they are using more resources (IT, DB, human, legal etc.) then they should be paying a lot more.
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> It doesn't make sense pay for their operating costs on the dime of smaller LIRs.
> And I don't understand why this kind of Charging Scheme is never made part of these votings.
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> /Omer
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> April 24, 2024 at 7:02 PM, "Blake Shepherd" <blake66 at live.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Hi members, 
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>> We should really not be voting for this make the big players pay, I saw something that would work well but got ignored.
>> 
>> "
>> 
>> 1.
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>> Im suggest this scheme
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>> LIR membership fixed fee - 100 EUR/year per account
>> +
>> Resouce based fee:
>> - ASN - 0 EUR/year per ASN
>> - IPv6 - 0.05 EUR/year per IPv6 /48 (i.e. /48 = 0.05 EUR/year, /29 = 50
>> EUR/year)
>> - IPv4 - 0.046875 EUR/year per IPv4 /32 (i.e. /24 = 12 EUR/year, /22 =
>> 48 EUR/year)
>> 
>> With parsed public stats from RIPE its resulted as
>> 
>> = 42 529 216 EUR (TOTAL)
>> --------------------------------
>>    2 149 200 EUR (LIR fixed fee)
>>    1 152 761 EUR (IPv6)
>>   39 227 255 EUR (IPv4)
>> 
>> Someone say, ITS TO HIGH...
>> 
>> But stop!
>> 
>> IPv/4 on market for lease cost over 100 EUR/month (or 1200 EUR/year),
>> but for LIR its will be cost only 12 EUR/year(!) - x100 difference!
>> 
>> If some LIR dont want to have x100 profit over year - then, this LIR can
>> return resources to RIPE pool and its will be RE-distributed across LIRs
>> who seek resources.
>> 
>> "
>> 
>> Not sure who posted it but I think this would be the most "fair" way as the current billing scheme does not look "fair" at all right now, someone with a /8 is paying the same as someone who has a /24 please just stop and take that in.
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>> You are letting the rich get richer, please do not vote for this and actually make a change. 
>> 
>> **Kind regards,**
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>> **Blake @ BGP Technologies LTD.**
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>> **From:** members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net>
>> **Sent:** 24 April 2024 16:33
>> **To:** members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net>
>> **Subject:** Re: [members-discuss] GM topic
>>  
>> 
>> I'll support that, it's simple enough.
>> 
>>> On 4/24/24 10:28 AM, Max Tulyev wrote:
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>>> I have created the request for GM Agenda proposal "Keep current
>> 
>>> billing scheme for the next year".
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>>> Now it depends on your support. If there will be 400 supports, it
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>>> should be included to GM.
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>>> Here it is the link:
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>>> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/
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>>> 
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>>> You just need to click on the "Support" button.
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>>> 
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>>> 24.04.24 17:37, Max Tulyev пише:
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>>>> Hello!
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>>>> I as the member would like to add a topic for vote on GM.
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>>>> What is the procedure to do that?
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