[members-discuss] [ripe-list] New RIPE Labs Article - Building a stable future for the RIPE NCC

> Again we telling old tales!

Dmitry, you're doing this. But this time you came with the fresh idea, so I'm happy to discuss it.

>> Paying more than others usually means having more rights. Should the top
>> payers benefit more from their membership?
> If you rent large house dose you have more rights than owner?

Don't you feel the difference between use the IPs for addressing in your network and renting a house from a specific owner?

> If you pay more taxes does you have more votes?

In case there will be ten or twenty top payers, the association will become dependent on their contributions. More dependancy means more power. From that point of view flat fee is more fair for the association members.

> 2. Divide the NCC budget into two parts - Operational (the smallest part)
> and Investment (the largest part). Everyone must pays the SAME fees to the
> Operational Budget. The NCC's Investment (research) budget will filled
> with resource fees.

Have you had a chance to think about the numbers?

> 3. Gradually increase the payment for scarce resources (Investment
> Budget), with directing the funds from their collection to solve the
> problem of their shortage.

There is no more shortage. The association runs out of available IPv4, you have to admit this. Every new assigned /24 is a redistribution of the returned IPv4 space.


--
Best,
Sergey


> On 18. 4. 2024, at 14:28, sdy at a-n-t.ru wrote:
> 
> Again we telling old tales!
> 
> Answer me, why some people repeat it again and again?
>> Paying more than others usually means having more rights. Should the top
>> payers benefit more from their membership?
> 
> If you rent large house dose you have more rights than owner?
> If you pay more taxes does you have more votes?
> 
> They will pay more BECOUSE they USE MORE common RESOURCES!
> 
> I have to write what needs to be done again:
> 
> 1. Make a decision on charging NCC members for the scarce resources used.
> 
> 2. Divide the NCC budget into two parts - Operational (the smallest part)
> and Investment (the largest part). Everyone must pays the SAME fees to the
> Operational Budget. The NCC's Investment (research) budget will filled
> with resource fees.
> 
> 3. Gradually increase the payment for scarce resources (Investment
> Budget), with directing the funds from their collection to solve the
> problem of their shortage.
> For example: the creation of free IPv6 materials and their translation
> into different languages, the development of software for the integration
> of IPv4 and Ipv6. The development of IPv6. Popularization of Ipv6. Create
> open software and harwarefor IPv6. Creating same new protocol solutions
> for the problems with migration to IPv6.
> 
> --------------------------------
>> Hi,
>> The topic is definitely for members-discuss, not for ripe-list, so I'll
>> continue in m-d.
>> 
>> 
>>> 1) RIPE need to make some reserve funds for compensate some looses due
>>> sanctions, banking troubles and etc... for example 5% of total budget.
>> 
>> That's far away from the reality. As far as I remember, the target was
>> about 100% of the budget, so the association could survive 1 to 2 years
>> without any funding. The current status of the reserves is 80%+ of the
>> budget.
>> 
>>> 2) Change Charging Scheme from LIR based to Resource based and spare
>>> RIPE budget spending in equal parts. Big LIRs with large amount of
>>> resouces - will be pay more (in equal share), LIRs with small amount of
>>> resources - will be pay less (in equal share).
>> 
>> Paying more than others usually means having more rights. Should the top
>> payers benefit more from their membership?
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Best,
>> Sergey
> 
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