[members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)

Hello,

I want to chime in with request for some kind of clarification. Please
correct me if I'm wrong.

Original intent behind whole LIR and PI/PA concept was that LIRs were some
kind of ISP that provided access to Internet for end users thus needed
numerical resources. Since some of these customers might require persistent
resources (addresses, asn etc), but they can't afford/don't want to be LIR
themselves (for example hosting company). Thus idea of sponsored resources
came into life (which btw should be solution for hobby nets and small
organisations).

This leads me to following questions:

1. How many LIRs are organisations whose primary bussiness operation is
providing access to Internet?
2. Removing distinction between PI and PA (which I understand forces PI
resources holder to open their own LIR account) should introduce new
members. Can you please calculate how count of these new membership
compares to current number of LIRs that are about to be closed/hold no
resources?

Best regards,
Łukasz Jarosz


wt., 16 kwi 2024, 20:57 użytkownik Hans Petter Holen <hph at ripe.net> napisał:

> Hi Kaj,
> Benchmarking is always useful, but sometimes comparing may be a bit
> difficult.
>
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 at 18:27, Kaj Niemi <kajtzu at basen.net> wrote:
>
>> RIPE, revenue 38M EUR (40M USD), members 20k = 2 k/member
>> ARIN, revenue 25M USD, members 25k = 1 k/member
>> APNIC, revenue 33M AUD (21M USD), members 10k = 2 k/member
>> LACNIC, revenue 10M USD, members 12k = 0.8 k/member
>> AFRINIC, revenue 6M USD, members 2k = 3 k/member
>>
>
> APNIC and LACNIC has  National Internet Registries that handle members in
> their countries which makes comparison difficult.
>
> ARIN has recently changed their membership structure to include the
> equivalent of our End Users and individual ASN holders.
> They have also removed the distinction between PI and PA.
>
> If the RIPE NCC did the same, we would more than double the number of
> members and bring the average to less than 1k/member.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Hans Petter Holen
> Managing Director & Chief Executive Officer
> RIPE NCC
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