[members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)

I guess UK Gov spend MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE on all kinds of stationery in 
offices nor that amount :D

So, dont need to worry about UK Gov, they pretty rich.

On 16.04.2024 14:25, Daniel Pearson wrote:
> I'd like to see you tell the UK Government that they are going to pay 1 
> Euro per IP for a /8
> 
> Let me know how that conversation goes :)
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/16/24 9:20 AM, Petru Bunea wrote:
>> This is NOT a good example. In this example we see how a /22 
>> allocation pays 1094 EUR per year, which is close to 1 EUR / 1 IP / 
>> Year, and a /8 allocation pays 48.000 EUR, which is 0.003 EURO / 1 IP 
>> / Year, which is 333 times less expensive. So tell me again how this 
>> is a good example.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>> On 16 Apr 2024, at 17:07, Firma KOMPEX <gabi at kompex.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>> very good example Sebastian
>>>
>>> Others are doing it and Europe should too
>>>
>>> We should be pioneers and we are in the Middle Ages.
>>> We are chipping away at such obvious issues from others.
>>>
>>> The fixed fee for the LIR Account + the resource fee can stay
>>> they need to be calculated
>>>
>>> But necessarily, as you pointed out, IP usage should be accounted for
>>>
>>>
>>> Pozdrawiam
>>> Gabriel Sulka
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of
>>> Sebastien Brossier
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:51 PM
>>> To:members-discuss at ripe.net
>>> Subject: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I propose to add the following model to the charging scheme 2025 voting
>>> options.
>>>
>>>
>>> *1 - Introduction:*
>>>
>>> This charging scheme is heavily inspired by APNIC. If you are not
>>> familiar with this, you can see an example here:
>>> https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/member-f
>>> ees-calculator/
>>>
>>> The main idea is that each LIR pays according to its resources, but not
>>> linearly. You don't pay twice as much because you have twice as much
>>> resources.
>>> The resulting fees are similar to what the other RIRs are charging, with
>>> infinite granularity (no categories).
>>>
>>> It can be easily tweaked to reach any desired budget, and will remain
>>> viable when IPv4 has disappeared.
>>>
>>> I have made IPv6 less punitive compared to APNIC, because RIPE has
>>> larger initial allocations.
>>>
>>> Independent resources fees, sign-up fee, lack of ASN fee, remain as
>>> before in this proposal. I believe it is better to have a separate
>>> debate on these subjects at a later time.
>>>
>>> The goal of this charging scheme is to lower the cost for members with a
>>> very low amount of resources, in order to attract newcomers and retain
>>> existing members. This way the RIPE NCC membership will remain numerous
>>> and diverse.
>>>
>>>
>>> *2 - Charging scheme:*
>>>
>>> (Warning: math incoming !)
>>>
>>> IPv4_count = number of IPv4 addresses allocated
>>>              (excluding independent assignments and legacy)
>>> IPv6_count = number of IPv6 /56 subnets allocated
>>>              (excluding independent assignments)
>>>
>>> Base_Fee = 638 EUR
>>> Bit_Factor = 1.31
>>> Minimum_Fee = 500 EUR
>>> Offset_IPv4 = 8
>>> Offset_IPv6 = 24
>>>
>>> IPv4_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv4_count) - Offset_IPv4)
>>> IPv6_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv6_count) - Offset_IPv6)
>>>
>>> Fee = max(IPv4_Fee, IPv6_Fee, Minimum_Fee)
>>>         + 50 EUR per independent resource (excluding ASN)
>>>
>>> My simulation, based on public data (2024-03-28), results in an average
>>> fee of 1900 EUR per LIR (+ 50 EUR per independent resource), so it
>>> should provide the same budget as the other options.
>>> If RIPE NCC find different results with their simulation, they can
>>> adjust Base_Fee.
>>>
>>>
>>> *3 - Examples:*
>>>
>>> 50 EUR per independent resource should be added to all these fees.
>>>
>>> No allocations: 500 EUR
>>> IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /32: 638 EUR
>>> IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /31: 835 EUR
>>> IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /30:1094 EUR
>>> IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /29:1434 EUR
>>> IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /28:1878 EUR
>>> IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /27:2461 EUR
>>> IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /26:3224 EUR
>>> IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /25:4223 EUR
>>> IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /24:5533 EUR
>>> IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /23:7248 EUR
>>> IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /22:9495 EUR
>>> IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /21:12439 EUR
>>> IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /20:16295 EUR
>>> IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /19:21347 EUR
>>> IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /18:27965 EUR
>>> IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /17:36634 EUR
>>> IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /16:47991 EUR
>>>
>>> Largest LIR is just below 60 kEUR.
>>>
>>> There are no categories, so your fee can be somewhere between these 
>>> numbers.
>>>
>>> If you think the fees are too high, I invite you to read the fee
>>> schedule of the other RIRs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you if you've read this far.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sebastien Brossier
>>>
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