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[members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)
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Petru Bunea
suport at bunea.eu
Tue Apr 16 16:20:09 CEST 2024
This is NOT a good example. In this example we see how a /22 allocation pays 1094 EUR per year, which is close to 1 EUR / 1 IP / Year, and a /8 allocation pays 48.000 EUR, which is 0.003 EURO / 1 IP / Year, which is 333 times less expensive. So tell me again how this is a good example. Thanks > On 16 Apr 2024, at 17:07, Firma KOMPEX <gabi at kompex.pl> wrote: > > very good example Sebastian > > Others are doing it and Europe should too > > We should be pioneers and we are in the Middle Ages. > We are chipping away at such obvious issues from others. > > The fixed fee for the LIR Account + the resource fee can stay > they need to be calculated > > But necessarily, as you pointed out, IP usage should be accounted for > > > Pozdrawiam > Gabriel Sulka > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Firma Handlowo - Usługowa KOMPEX > 34-400 Nowy Targ ul. Szaflarska 62A > tel(18) 264-60-55 pn-pt 09:30 - 17:00 sb. 09:30 - 13:00 > www.kompex.pl <http://www.kompex.pl/> ; bok at kompex.pl <mailto:bok at kompex.pl> ; kompex at nowytarg.net <mailto:kompex at nowytarg.net> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> On Behalf Of > Sebastien Brossier > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:51 PM > To: members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > Subject: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic) > > Hello all, > > I propose to add the following model to the charging scheme 2025 voting > options. > > > *1 - Introduction:* > > This charging scheme is heavily inspired by APNIC. If you are not > familiar with this, you can see an example here: > https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/member-f > ees-calculator/ > > The main idea is that each LIR pays according to its resources, but not > linearly. You don't pay twice as much because you have twice as much > resources. > The resulting fees are similar to what the other RIRs are charging, with > infinite granularity (no categories). > > It can be easily tweaked to reach any desired budget, and will remain > viable when IPv4 has disappeared. > > I have made IPv6 less punitive compared to APNIC, because RIPE has > larger initial allocations. > > Independent resources fees, sign-up fee, lack of ASN fee, remain as > before in this proposal. I believe it is better to have a separate > debate on these subjects at a later time. > > The goal of this charging scheme is to lower the cost for members with a > very low amount of resources, in order to attract newcomers and retain > existing members. This way the RIPE NCC membership will remain numerous > and diverse. > > > *2 - Charging scheme:* > > (Warning: math incoming !) > > IPv4_count = number of IPv4 addresses allocated > (excluding independent assignments and legacy) > IPv6_count = number of IPv6 /56 subnets allocated > (excluding independent assignments) > > Base_Fee = 638 EUR > Bit_Factor = 1.31 > Minimum_Fee = 500 EUR > Offset_IPv4 = 8 > Offset_IPv6 = 24 > > IPv4_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv4_count) - Offset_IPv4) > IPv6_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv6_count) - Offset_IPv6) > > Fee = max(IPv4_Fee, IPv6_Fee, Minimum_Fee) > + 50 EUR per independent resource (excluding ASN) > > My simulation, based on public data (2024-03-28), results in an average > fee of 1900 EUR per LIR (+ 50 EUR per independent resource), so it > should provide the same budget as the other options. > If RIPE NCC find different results with their simulation, they can > adjust Base_Fee. > > > *3 - Examples:* > > 50 EUR per independent resource should be added to all these fees. > > No allocations: 500 EUR > IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /32: 638 EUR > IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /31: 835 EUR > IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /30: 1094 EUR > IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /29: 1434 EUR > IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /28: 1878 EUR > IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /27: 2461 EUR > IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /26: 3224 EUR > IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /25: 4223 EUR > IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /24: 5533 EUR > IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /23: 7248 EUR > IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /22: 9495 EUR > IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /21: 12439 EUR > IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /20: 16295 EUR > IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /19: 21347 EUR > IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /18: 27965 EUR > IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /17: 36634 EUR > IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /16: 47991 EUR > > Largest LIR is just below 60 kEUR. > > There are no categories, so your fee can be somewhere between these numbers. > > If you think the fees are too high, I invite you to read the fee > schedule of the other RIRs. > > > Thank you if you've read this far. > > > Best regards, > Sebastien Brossier > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/gabi%40kompex.pl <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/gabi%40kompex.pl> > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://mailman.ripe.net/ <https://mailman.ripe.net/> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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