[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals

Hey everyone,

Is there a reason why we haven't seen a simple differentiated model
suggested from the board?

Some have expressed it as the strangest thing ever on this mailing list.
But seems other, such as ARIN and others already implemented this? Doesn't
seem all to complicated to me? What have I missed?

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Linus Kimselius

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Den tors 11 apr. 2024 kl 14:50 skrev ivaylo <ivaylo at bglans.net>:

>
> First let look to other RIR charging schemes:
>
> ARIN:   https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/fee_schedule/
> APNIC:
> https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/member-fees-calculator/
> LACNIC: https://www.lacnic.net/5448/2/lacnic/
>
> _All charging schemes are based on LIR resourse holding_
>
> I dont understand why RIPE NCC keep shooting self in the head. With the 3
> options the board presenting we - members have 2 options to act:
> 1. Aggressively consolidating
> 2. Pressing to lower the budget
>
> If the LIRs number drop to 2000 members with budget of 42M will lead to
> ---> 21 000 EURO <--- fee for each. Wich will lead to 100% budget cuts. So
> we
> are in a close circle which will 100% disrupt Internet work in the region.
> The
> only way to get out of this is to follow the other RIRs. Let bigger
> resource
> holder take their responsibility and finance RIPE work bigger share !
>
> To RIPE's board, check other RIRs charging schemes and offer something
> fair and
> sustainable in long term, not like last year non sense scheme !
>
>
>
> Ivaylo Josifov
> VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
> +359 52 969393
> Varna, Bulgaria
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear RIPE NCC members,
> >
> >
> > We can now share three draft charging scheme models for 2025 that the
> > Executive Board approved with the following resolution at its meeting on
> 25
> > March 2024:
> >
> >
> > The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the submission of the RIPE NCC
> > Charging Scheme 2025 options to the upcoming RIPE NCC General Meeting for
> > members to vote on.
> >
> >
> > - Option A - Charging Scheme as is with 22.58% price increase for the
> annual
> > contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,900) and a 0% price increase for
> > Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR 50)
> >
> > - Option B - Charging Scheme as is with 20.97% price increase for the
> annual
> > contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,875) and a 50% price increase for
> > Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR 75)
> >
> > - Option C - Charging Scheme as is with 16.13% price increase for the
> annual
> > contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,800), a 50% price increase for
> > Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR 75) and a new AS
> > Numbers fee of EUR 50 per assignment
> >
> >
> > *Resources falling under this charge are IPv4 and IPv6 PI assignments;
> > Anycast assignments; IPv4 and IPv6 IXP assignments; and Legacy IPv4
> resource
> > registrations through a sponsoring LIR.
> >
> >
> > The full draft charging scheme models are available from the GM
> > Documentation page:
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2024/documentation
> > -and-archives/supporting-documents/
> >
> >
> > Although the proposed models are relatively simple, we provide a
> calculator
> > where you can see exactly what you would pay under each of the proposed
> > models:
> >
> > https://www.ripe.net/documents/3757/CS2025_Member_Calculator.xlsx
> >
> >
> > The main considerations for the Executive Board in proposing these three
> > models are:
> >
> > 1. The consolidation of LIR accounts, which means the burden to generate
> > sufficient income must be met by fewer accounts
> >
> > 2. Increased costs due to inflation that were previously catered for by
> the
> > large number of LIR accounts
> >
> > 3. Following the discussions last year and again this year, there
> appears to
> > be no clear consensus among members on how a category-based model would
> work
> > and the Board does not wish to put another category model forward at the
> > upcoming GM that will be rejected by the members. Rather, the Board will
> > propose a simple model that guarantees adequate funding for 2025 and
> 2026 -
> > under this proposal, we expect there would be no need for a fee increase
> for
> > 2026. The Board will work with the RIPE NCC on a more in-depth
> consultation
> > with the members aimed at arriving at a sustainable solution for 2027 and
> > beyond, possibly involving a new charging scheme task force.
> >
> >
> > All three proposed models are designed to arrive at the same income of
> EUR
> > 41.1 million for the RIPE NCC in 2025. This will cover all current
> services
> > and activities, a 5% staff cost increase, a 2% inflation increase on all
> > non-staff costs, and EUR 1 million for additional work relating to
> registry
> > complexity and security projects aimed at ensuring the resilience of the
> > Registry and the RIPE NCC more broadly. Any such additional work would be
> > discussed with the membership during Activity Plan and Budget
> consultations
> > and then need to be approved by the Board. This will also allow some
> leeway
> > should more LIR accounts close than we expect.
> >
> >
> > It?s important to note that the RIPE NCC aims for an income budget that
> will
> > provide a surplus, and this means that should we meet our budgetary
> targets,
> > a surplus can be returned to members in 2026 should they so wish.
> >
> >
> > While the RIPE NCC continues to carry out cost-cutting efforts across the
> > organisation, drastically reducing the budget at this time is not
> advisable
> > due to the work that needs to be carried out, especially in relation to
> > maintaining high-quality registry services and securing the registry and
> > RIPE NCC systems. Cutting services or activities is not something the
> Board
> > is planning to do, and such actions would take time and need full
> > consultation with the membership. An overview of the activities and
> services
> > that the membership fee covers is provided below this email.
> >
> >
> > I also urge you to see the presentation we delivered at the charging
> scheme
> > open house in March so that the full context of the situation and the
> > financial landscape we face is clear to you. The slides are available at:
> >
> >
> https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-charging-schem
> > e-2025/
> >
> >
> > Finally, I want to thank all those who have contributed to the
> consultation
> > so far on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025. The models we present here
> are
> > draft and in two weeks we will announce the final proposal that members
> will
> > vote on at the GM on 22-24 May. Please discuss the draft proposal on the
> > members-discuss at ripe.net list - any input received by 19 April can be
> > incorporated if possible into the final models we propose. And make sure
> to
> > register for the GM so that you can vote on the charging scheme that will
> > apply for you and all members next year:
> >
> > https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active
> >
> >
> > Simon-Jan Haytink
> >
> > Chief Financial Officer
> >
> > RIPE NCC
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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