[members-discuss] Charging Scheme 2025

IPv4 sells in the private market for anywhere from $40-$50 per address.

When a /24 is worth $10,000~
When a /22 is worth $40,000~
When a /20 is worth $162,000~

Do you really think you will motivate someone to give them up by 
charging 0.1 EUR per address?

That's just a fantasy.


On 4/10/24 8:34 AM, Mihail Fedorov wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Because it solves both purposes
>
> - some small motivation for unused “hoarded” IP address space to be 
> distributed back to those who suffer from total lack of them - at 
> least a little bit will go back to market. There are still really A 
> LOT of entities who hoard them not for the purpose of need (now or in 
> future, commercial or not), but ONLY because some time ago v4 
> distribution was not managed properly. This, per my opinion, should be 
> somehow resolved.
>
> - small LIR’s without large clients or subnets should not fund RIPE 
> expensive projects on equal basis with transcontinental corporations. 
> Latter will easily agree on 100x price increase just to knock off 
> anyone else - still not even notice this fee. But existing fee and its 
> increase is more than significant for smaller networks or someone 
> trying to enter market.
>
> What I see in proposed schemes is total lack of choice. Let’s not 
> pretend that increase to 1800, increase 1850 or increase to 1900 is 
> actually a choice. It is not! And what I see in this mailing list is 
> that almost everyone agree with this fact.
>
> My initial proposal remains the same: 0.1 EUR (adjusted to real RIPE 
> financial needs) per v4 address in use. Absolutely flat and fair. It 
> will be eventually distributed up to the IP end user by supply chain 
> and be totally unnoticeable for them.
>
> At least there should be couple of more options in vote if community 
> opinion really counted. Otherwise vote is nonsense, why it is needed 
> at all?
>
>
>> On 10 Apr 2024, at 16:09, Евгений Удовихин <eudovihin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> At least because large IP holders now have no motivation to release 
>> them. The dependence of the contribution on the number of addresses 
>> used will give an additional incentive not to keep unnecessary 
>> address space.
>>
>> Ср, 10 апр. 2024 г. в 22:59, Michel Lanners <michel.lanners at lu-cix.lu>:
>>
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     Why on earth is everybody trying to monetize IPv4, i.e. make RIPE
>>     fees dependant on IPv4 ressources?
>>
>>     I completely fail to see why anybody should pay more for HOLDING
>>     any number of IPv4 ressources (or other ressources, by the way).
>>
>>     It’s a different story for ressource transfers. So let those
>>     selling IPv4 pay a fee for the transfer!
>>
>>     And for the rest let’s stick to a real membership fee: one price
>>     irrespective of which services you use or not. The fitness center
>>     doesn’t charge you per minute, nor per device you use. It's a
>>     flat membership, full stop. Hopefully low enough so it doesn’t
>>     create a problem for anybody's bottom line.
>>
>>     Cheers
>>
>>     *Michel LANNERS*
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