[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals

Hello

 > but why are fee's going up when RIPE is shrinking?

 > If ripe is shrinking, then so should its non-essential activities and 
buget.

 >Should RIPE have the same budget and staff, when it is serving fewer 
members?

Operations should scale with membership count/workload based on 
essential services.

 > Fewer LIR members should inturn mean a smaller , more efficient RIPE.

Yes


On 4/10/24 2:55 PM, Daniel Pearson wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> A modest increase is not going to kill us, but why are fee's going up 
> when RIPE is shrinking?
>
> Should RIPE have the same budget and staff, when it is serving fewer 
> members?
>
> Fewer LIR members should inturn mean a smaller , more efficient RIPE.
>
>
> Daniel~
>
>
> On 4/10/24 7:48 AM, Leopoldo Maestro - Soltia Consulting SL wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I think it is a very reasonable increase, the budget is maintained 
>> for a while and the changes are not so dramatic that they could 
>> impact many people.
>>
>> Let's be honest, an increase of 400€ (33-34€/month) a year is not 
>> going to kill us.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Why do we not have an option that refuses any rate increases, and 
>>> forces RIPE to reduce it's budget?
>>>
>>> Option D - No change to rates, RIPE reduces budget according to 
>>> fewer number of LIR!
>>>
>>> The Board MUST make tough decisions. If RIPE is serving fewer LIR 
>>> then the board must adjust RIPE to be a proper size.
>>>
>>> Daniel~
>>>
>>> On 4/10/24 4:18 AM, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear RIPE NCC members,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We can now share three draft charging scheme models for 2025 that 
>>>> the Executive Board approved with the following resolution at its 
>>>> meeting on 25 March 2024:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the submission of the RIPE 
>>>> NCC Charging Scheme 2025 options to the upcoming RIPE NCC General 
>>>> Meeting for members to vote on.
>>>>
>>>> - Option A  -  Charging Scheme as is with 22.58% price increase for 
>>>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,900) and a 0% price 
>>>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR 50)
>>>>
>>>> - Option B  -  Charging Scheme as is with 20.97% price increase for 
>>>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,875) and a 50% price 
>>>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR 75)
>>>>
>>>> - Option C  -  Charging Scheme as is with 16.13% price increase for 
>>>> the annual contribution per LIR account (EUR 1,800), a 50% price 
>>>> increase for Independent Internet number resource assignments* (EUR 
>>>> 75) and a new AS Numbers fee of EUR 50 per assignment
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Resources falling under this charge are IPv4 and IPv6 PI 
>>>> assignments; Anycast assignments; IPv4 and IPv6 IXP assignments; 
>>>> and Legacy IPv4 resource registrations through a sponsoring LIR.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The full draft charging scheme models are available from the GM 
>>>> Documentation 
>>>> page:https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2024/documentation-and-archives/supporting-documents/ 
>>>> <http://url1904.soltia.es/ls/click?upn=u001.EkkA3-2Bq-2F-2BWyQiPBedocQDTMbZUybI9nTx5vjxrY-2F8Z1FOZiVeADG6UNhTmcFSt5-2BjfPcecgUL6OrZDhyZ6rLIbhfQilM8h43R8-2BuvM8uFsqNnyPOnKXi0wxmIpJxjDc9Kx9O63AmpzoIB1XDJEY3VA36MZG-2B1dIfBzW5XxttyIM-3DNWRS_5Y9C-2B-2Fzbmi1Z8AZ1P0Xb40GNjsL-2Fdfbf6y3l5mDAYddVWlCuXiPb5OXwoeBsfBEbMIRGg7XK27UOcXYWGiTZ-2Fistx0G2Ms5r1JO-2FcQl0zNORjlFJzRw73A32q6ar1c-2ByjG22MCLeNd0aXQRZmj2saUwPrSwh9-2B395-2BFiaBq475KeA7tqF65uKAs0rkapUHtRPAtB2i4bIh13ZbUeZITtnw-3D-3D>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Although the proposed models are relatively simple, we provide a 
>>>> calculator where you can see exactly what you would pay under each 
>>>> of the proposed models:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ripe.net/documents/3757/CS2025_Member_Calculator.xlsx 
>>>> <http://url1904.soltia.es/ls/click?upn=u001.EkkA3-2Bq-2F-2BWyQiPBedocQDe76v8-2Fvdx607-2BV9v25XdIYW4rFRji8zwIoZc2tqcWLNwj8Y6DZZ5JVm-2FoipnXOGvCa8Kk8Bh9rQpjrNfjvcEII-3DMQKr_5Y9C-2B-2Fzbmi1Z8AZ1P0Xb40GNjsL-2Fdfbf6y3l5mDAYddVWlCuXiPb5OXwoeBsfBEbMIRGg7XK27UOcXYWGiTZ-2FsqvI4dkX9fRCAOL8Y-2B4bxiWgdYNorMfh-2B8tbUN40MxMgZ7Xxp24xRRHCaWW7jAfSam2NlJd2UhPFF7j7H-2BE00DY64Kvzu1AMDUwtvTnYfmPUTW6NaRNPAR8xFBfGjUq3Q-3D-3D>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The main considerations for the Executive Board in proposing these 
>>>> three models are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. The consolidation of LIR accounts, which means the burden to 
>>>> generate sufficient income must be met by fewer accounts
>>>>
>>>> 2. Increased costs due to inflation that were previously catered 
>>>> for by the large number of LIR accounts
>>>>
>>>> 3. Following the discussions last year and again this year, there 
>>>> appears to be no clear consensus among members on how a 
>>>> category-based model would work and the Board does not wish to put 
>>>> another category model forward at the upcoming GM that will be 
>>>> rejected by the members. Rather, the Board will propose a simple 
>>>> model that guarantees adequate funding for 2025 and 2026 - under 
>>>> this proposal, we expect there would be no need for a fee increase 
>>>> for 2026. The Board will work with the RIPE NCC on a more in-depth 
>>>> consultation with the members aimed at arriving at a sustainable 
>>>> solution for 2027 and beyond, possibly involving a new charging 
>>>> scheme task force.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All three proposed models are designed to arrive at the same income 
>>>> of EUR 41.1 million for the RIPE NCC in 2025. This will cover all 
>>>> current services and activities, a 5% staff cost increase, a 2% 
>>>> inflation increase on all non-staff costs, and EUR 1 million for 
>>>> additional work relating to registry complexity and security 
>>>> projects aimed at ensuring the resilience of the Registry and the 
>>>> RIPE NCC more broadly. Any such additional work would be discussed 
>>>> with the membership during Activity Plan and Budget consultations 
>>>> and then need to be approved by the Board. This will also allow 
>>>> some leeway should more LIR accounts close than we expect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It’s important to note that the RIPE NCC aims for an income budget 
>>>> that will provide a surplus, and this means that should we meet our 
>>>> budgetary targets, a surplus can be returned to members in 2026 
>>>> should they so wish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While the RIPE NCC continues to carry out cost-cutting efforts 
>>>> across the organisation, drastically reducing the budget at this 
>>>> time is not advisable due to the work that needs to be carried out, 
>>>> especially in relation to maintaining high-quality registry 
>>>> services and securing the registry and RIPE NCC systems. Cutting 
>>>> services or activities is not something the Board is planning to 
>>>> do, and such actions would take time and need full consultation 
>>>> with the membership. An overview of the activities and services 
>>>> that the membership fee covers is provided below this email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also urge you to see the presentation we delivered at the 
>>>> charging scheme open house in March so that the full context of the 
>>>> situation and the financial landscape we face is clear to you. The 
>>>> slides are available at:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-2025/ 
>>>> <http://url1904.soltia.es/ls/click?upn=u001.EkkA3-2Bq-2F-2BWyQiPBedocQDTMbZUybI9nTx5vjxrY-2F8Z1FOZiVeADG6UNhTmcFSt5-2BQ7a3JRMgvT7omvtUsb8bhT6M7UBONW8EV-2FGxc4iQ6S7XrSdYLswU4voWKNSBy8zGzO3B_5Y9C-2B-2Fzbmi1Z8AZ1P0Xb40GNjsL-2Fdfbf6y3l5mDAYddVWlCuXiPb5OXwoeBsfBEbMIRGg7XK27UOcXYWGiTZ-2Fj8EqsBB-2BfJc-2FDEFUF5LEUE0ige8RGGATuNnSj5dKrTyJ17Y8BLhusFwW0FP5U-2BQJeu1xcrl0ncU9KnuZ0qZudfmVfZJ6ybf1vrgavDm9GLiAGs3AqBKTW2aKaBCpRe-2FeA-3D-3D>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I want to thank all those who have contributed to the 
>>>> consultation so far on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025. The 
>>>> models we present here are draft and in two weeks we will announce 
>>>> the final proposal that members will vote on at the GM on 22-24 
>>>> May. Please discuss the draft proposal on the 
>>>> members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>list - 
>>>> any input received by 19 April can be incorporated if possible into 
>>>> the final models we propose. And make sure to register for the GM 
>>>> so that you can vote on the charging scheme that will apply for you 
>>>> and all members next year:
>>>>
>>>> https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active 
>>>> <http://url1904.soltia.es/ls/click?upn=u001.EkkA3-2Bq-2F-2BWyQiPBedocQDR-2B7-2BOPRhPxO6hToEWsUR52v9msgz-2FZMQdooF3wUQccbuB9G_5Y9C-2B-2Fzbmi1Z8AZ1P0Xb40GNjsL-2Fdfbf6y3l5mDAYddVWlCuXiPb5OXwoeBsfBEbMIRGg7XK27UOcXYWGiTZ-2Fgrk7fz74GpqWrqbbsxMnwLsYBhuhrCIkTjyX6OZ2dedNw3TLdlsy2woTCbsIP97YzTvt-2Ff-2FDBjEX198m6O1rsAOGArTs9mP1ouxORbJW7prvAr3kANbtI5bwQN14wZpYQ-3D-3D>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simon-Jan Haytink
>>>>
>>>> Chief Financial Officer
>>>>
>>>> RIPE NCC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Services and Activities Covered by the Member Fee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - A trusted, efficient, accurate and resilient registry that 
>>>> guarantees uniqueness of resources held by members
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>> -- 
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>>
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