[members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available

Hello,

It is change and will change more rapid, with consolidation of LIRs and 
dropping their number, we will get 20% membership fee increse if not for 
2025 but for 2026.

With resources Telecom Armenia holds right now and with flat steps 
up charging scheme I offer, the annual RIPE fee for your company will be:

16500 Euros

With other words 1375 Euros per month ! Lets be serious you really think 
that such money will cut your long therm company contracts ? Or will 
affect prices in some way your company gives to the customers ? How 
much % of your company annual turnover are 16500 euros ?

We need to create much more sustainable and predictable future of RIPE. In 
same time to fix all mistakes done by now (because or because not someones 
interests) and make things fair for all members. Also it is very very 
posible RIPE to attract new members wich automaticaly will lower the fee 
your company will have to pay after time.


Ivaylo Josifov
VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
+359 52 969393
Varna, Bulgaria


On Mon, 1 Apr 2024, Naira Kuroyan via members-discuss wrote:

> Hello!
>
> We believe that in any case the cost of membership charge may not increase significantly, when nothing has changed in Company's business activities and in resources assigned.  This is not acceptable for any business.
> The significant increase of the price level is challenging and stuggleing for the Members (and their customers), especially from not stable and economically less developed regions, where polytical, economical, country development situation can have a significant impact on the local economy, with the ability of their members and their customers to pay increased charges, especially during difficult times. We can not imagine any case in the world when the charge for services increases more than the maximum increase level limited to 20%.
>
> You can imagine how the significant increase will impact the Company's business activities. E.g. the Company has planned its business cases and budget and requested resources from RIPE NCC with the existing charge level.
> Moreover, with signed long-term contracts (3 years and more) with customers with prices calculated based on the existing costs, in some cases it may be challenging or even not possible to change the pricing terms without risking a breach of contracts.
> So it is not acceptable to switch to model where RIPE NCC in fact starts charging for already assigned resources currently in use in the business.
> We believe that new charges can be applicable to the new resources to be assigned, but not impact the existing ones.
> Agree that some discounts or other options for the fee adjustment for a long-standing members also can be applied.
>
>
> Regards,
> Naira Kuroyan
>
> GLOBAL NETWORK CONNECTIVITY MANAGER
> TEAM Telecom Armenia
> www.telecomarmenia.am
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Hank Nussbacher
> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 12:49 PM
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available
>
> On 29/03/2024 14:49, Gert Doering wrote:
>
> IUCC was the first paying member to RIPE NCC in 1995 (since we realized the importance of supporting such a fledgling organization) and we have paid for our resources for the past 29 years.
>
> See attached (page 3 of 4 pages - if anyone wants to see the full 4 page document - drop me an email off-list).
>
> Regards,
> Hank
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 07:04:30PM +0100, Andrea Borghi wrote:
>>>> My humble proposal is to class basing on how many additional
>>>> resources a company have beyond the basics that was valid at the
>>>> time of joining Ripe.
>>>
>>> ... and possibly how old these resources are... we got our blocks in
>>> 1995/1996, and they are considered "large" by today's standards.?
>>> Back then, it was what you got as a fast-growing small ISP...
>>>
>>> So if we really go for something based on allocation size, adding a
>>> yearly depreciation factor in would make this "more fair" (... we've
>>> been paying our share for the last 29(!) years already).
>>>
>>> Gert Doering
>>> ???????? -- NetMaster
>>>
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