[members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Open House: Recording and Slides Available

The subject of this discussion go a lot ofside. I dont know why you bloat 
the theme (maybe it is intensionly ?) leading it to IPV4 holding. Our main 
focus _SHOULD_ be RIPE budget and financing + sustainabla operation in the 
next year and in the future at all. This of course is related with the 
members fee.

I done a little research and calculations, to tune my initial propousal 
so: By IANA public documents current delegated resources to RIPE are:

86016     IPV4 /19 blocks
66624     IPV6 /27 blocks
42882     ASN

If we have a hard coded limits for each LIR, equal steps up, and member 
fee of 750 EURO per year, each LIR can hold up to:

1 x /19 IPV4 BLOCK (sumary = 32 x /24 networks)
1 x /27 IPV6 BLOCK (sumary = 32 x /32 networks)
16 ASN numbers

After pass one of the above parameters even with one /24 IPV4, /32 IPV6, 
or ASN, +750 euro (1500 euro RIPE fee) up to the next proporcional limit:

2 x /19 IPV4 BLOCK (sumary = 64 x /24 networks)
2 x /27 IPV6 BLOCK (sumary = 64 x /32 networks)
32 ASN numbers

and so on...

This will generate 64 512 000 euros annual budget for RIPE which is 
absolutely enough for normal operations in each of the next 10 years, 
without need to increse members fee each year.

If somebody is afraid, that other RIRs will not keep going with RIPE fees, 
and there will be posibly leave of the big resource holders, keep in mind 
that all small members from the other RIRs will move to RIPE. Also good 
luck moving to ARIN db mess, the risk to lost route of your prefixes is 
nearly 90%.

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Off topic: About IPV4/IPV6 resources, it is imposible to create kind of 
ipv4 adress space extension. Many hardware do lookup over the ip header, 
it is not only software related. Even somebody develope a public standart 
about that, will take decades before all replacing equipment all over the 
world and another decades all to be workable. We have working IPV6, right 
now more than 52% has IPV6 connectivity. Biggest EU access operator already
give dual stack IPV4/IPV6 even to their end users, and activlly deploy 
IPV6 stack into their networks. It is much more cheaper in long 
perspective than to buy/rent IPV4 (NAT/proxy your clients/services over 
IPV4 and give them IPV6 real addresses). After 2-3 years the core of the 
Internet will be over IPV6, yes we will need to support IPV4 for the next 
10-15 years to provide backward connectivity, but it is a dead end. All 
who thinks they will do a big profit from IPV4 adresses they hold, do 
seriously mistake in their logic, but anyway it is their problem. Those 
who dont implement IPV6 because "yay it is so scary and not working" in 
one moment will have to do this fast without experience, because will 
have seroius troubles with IPV4 connectivity.




Ivaylo Josifov
VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
+359 52 969393
Varna, Bulgaria