[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme

Hello,

I think it is very necessary to address the problem of LIRs that need 
IPs in relation to LIRs that have +80% of their IPs unused.

How to fix? maybe a pay per individual IP model?

For example: 0.25 €/year per IP.

I think this will make those who have unused IPs give them back and 
reduce speculation, which I think are the two big problems.

Thanks!

-- 
José Manuel Giner
https://ginernet.com


On 17/03/2023 10:24, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> First off, I apologise for the length of this email, but I hope to cover 
> a number of points brought up in the consultation so far.
> 
> I want to thank you again for your input so far on the models. We are 
> busy looking at all the feedback. We have also seen over 100 members 
> sign up for the Open House next week to discuss this further, so I 
> appreciate your interest in helping us to reach a good outcome.
> 
> Looking at the feedback we've seen so far, there are a number of 
> questions and points raised where I can help to add clarity and also 
> answer some specific questions.
> 
> 1. Some of you asked for a breakdown of the IPv4 address space held by 
> LIRs to help with your consideration of a category-based model. So here 
> is a chart with that information:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/distribution-of-total-allocated-ipv4-per-lir.png
> 
> I’d like to note that in the models we are developing, we are looking to 
> move to a model that charges per member rather than per LIR account. So 
> I also have an indicative spread of how many members would be in each 
> category in the model we shared:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/member-spread-across-categories.png
> 
> 2. To clarify what determines the category someone is placed within in 
> the model I shared, it is the highest score for just one of the 
> following types of resource:
> - IPv4 allocations
> - IPv6 allocations
> - ASN assignments
> - Independent resources (includes all resource assignments not in the 
> previous three categories, including all sponsored items)
> Note: Independent resources are charged by number of assignments rather 
> than by the amount of IPs within the assignment.
> 
> So if your highest score is for IPv4 allocations, then the amount for 
> IPv6 allocations, ASNs or independent resources does not contribute to 
> the category you are placed in. The highest score of the four defines 
> the category. The elements that we charge for in the categories or 
> separately can of course change or be refined based on your feedback.
> 
> 3. Another person asked for comparison with other RIR charging schemes, 
> and I provide links to the information on their websites:
> APNIC: https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/
> ARIN: https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/fee_schedule/
> AFRINIC: https://afrinic.net/membership/cost#resource
> LACNIC: https://www.lacnic.net/2399/2/lacnic/membership-fees-and-categories
> 
> 4. There was a question on how we charge for those who are still on the 
> waiting list and have not yet received any IPv4 address space. We are 
> still looking at how this might work and it is something I can bring up 
> during the Open House. Potentially, there could be a base membership fee 
> and another fee once IPv4 resources are received.
> 
> 5. There was a request for comment on the idea that the RIPE NCC had 
> permitted multiple LIRs in order to allow some members to receive more 
> address space. In fact, the members themselves voted at the General 
> Meeting to allow this in 2016. There had been a resolution by the 
> Executive Board to stop the creation of multiple LIR accounts in 2015; 
> there was a lengthy discussion about this and the Board therefore asked 
> the members to discuss the issue and make a decision on the matter in 2016.
> 
> Board Resolution:
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/board-resolution-to-suspend-creation-of-multiple-lir-accounts
> 
> Membership Vote:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2016
> 
> Finally, there was a comment that we need to achieve a balance between 
> fairness and complexity. This comment really resonates with me, given 
> that there are possibly as many ways to charge as there are IPv6 
> addresses. At the Open House next week, I plan to present updated models 
> that take as much of your feedback as possible into account, and of 
> course I'll share that information afterwards with the full membership.
> 
> Charging Scheme 2024 Open House:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-charging-scheme-2024-consultation
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Simon Jan Haytink
> Finance Director
> RIPE NCC
> 
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