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sdy at a-n-t.ru
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Sat Mar 18 06:06:17 CET 2023
And one more "litle more"...
In my opinion, either a scheme with an increased number of categories (up
to 9) or with a network fee + a fixed payment will be fairer.
The calculated data is below.
I have attached a file to excel for independent calculations who wants,
but I do not know how to add it to the general discussion
Scheme with 9 Categories
IP LIRsN IP per LIRs IP per Cat Lirs per Cat Price
per Cat am per Cat %IPv4 per Cat %am per Cat
0 1774 0 0 1774
200 354800 0 1,49
256 4552 1165312
512 321 164352 1329664 4873
400 1949200 0,3 8,16
1024 8710 8919040
2048 2773 5679104
4096 1838 7528448 22126592 13321
800 10656800 4,96 44,63
8192 1512 12386304
16384 773 12664832 25051136 2285
1600 3656000 5,61 15,31
32768 428 14024704
65536 303 19857408 33882112 731
3200 2339200 7,59 9,8
131072 154 20185088
262144 113 29622272 49807360 267
6400 1708800 11,16 7,16
524288 67 35127296
1048576 58 60817408 95944704 125
12800 1600000 21,5 6,7
2097152 30 62914560
4194304 17 71303168 134217728 47
25600 1203200 30,08 5,04
8388608 6 50331648
16777216 2 33554432 83886080 8
51200 409600 18,8 1,72
23431 446245376 446245376 23431
=23877600 100,0 100,0
Scheme with fix part and pay for every NET
Fix am. 300
Net price 6
IP LIRsN IP per LIRs IP per Cat Net num am per Nets
Price am per Cat %IPv4 per Cat %am per Cat
0 1774 0 0 0 0
300 1064400 0,0 4,3
256 4552 1165312 1165312 1 6
306 2758512 0,3 11,3
512 321 164352 164352 2 12
312 196452 0,0 0,8
1024 8710 8919040 8919040 4 24
324 5435040 2,0 22,2
2048 2773 5679104 5679104 8 48
348 1796904 1,3 7,3
4096 1838 7528448 7528448 16 96
396 1279248 1,7 5,2
8192 1512 12386304 12386304 32 192
492 1197504 2,8 4,9
16384 773 12664832 12664832 64 384
684 760632 2,8 3,1
32768 428 14024704 14024704 128 768
1068 585504 3,1 2,4
65536 303 19857408 19857408 256 1536
1836 647208 4,5 2,6
131072 154 20185088 20185088 512 3072
3372 565488 4,5 2,3
262144 113 29622272 29622272 1024 6144
6444 762072 6,6 3,1
524288 67 35127296 35127296 2048 12288
12588 863496 7,9 3,5
1048576 58 60817408 60817408 4096 24576
24876 1460208 13,6 6,0
2097152 30 62914560 62914560 8192 49152
49452 1492560 14,1 6,1
4194304 17 71303168 71303168 16384 98304
98604 1681368 16,0 6,9
8388608 6 50331648 50331648 32768 196608
196908 1183248 11,3 4,8
16777216 2 33554432 33554432 65536 393216
393516 787632 7,5 3,2
23431 446245376 446245376
791826 =24517476 100,0 100,0
> Dear all,
>
> First off, I apologise for the length of this email, but I hope to cover
> a number of points brought up in the consultation so far.
>
> I want to thank you again for your input so far on the models. We are
> busy looking at all the feedback. We have also seen over 100 members
> sign up for the Open House next week to discuss this further, so I
> appreciate your interest in helping us to reach a good outcome.
>
> Looking at the feedback we've seen so far, there are a number of
> questions and points raised where I can help to add clarity and also
> answer some specific questions.
>
> 1. Some of you asked for a breakdown of the IPv4 address space held by
> LIRs to help with your consideration of a category-based model. So here
> is a chart with that information:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/distribution-of-total-allocated-ipv4-per-lir.png
>
> I’d like to note that in the models we are developing, we are looking to
> move to a model that charges per member rather than per LIR account. So
> I also have an indicative spread of how many members would be in each
> category in the model we shared:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/member-spread-across-categories.png
>
> 2. To clarify what determines the category someone is placed within in
> the model I shared, it is the highest score for just one of the
> following types of resource:
> - IPv4 allocations
> - IPv6 allocations
> - ASN assignments
> - Independent resources (includes all resource assignments not in the
> previous three categories, including all sponsored items)
> Note: Independent resources are charged by number of assignments rather
> than by the amount of IPs within the assignment.
>
> So if your highest score is for IPv4 allocations, then the amount for
> IPv6 allocations, ASNs or independent resources does not contribute to
> the category you are placed in. The highest score of the four defines
> the category. The elements that we charge for in the categories or
> separately can of course change or be refined based on your feedback.
>
> 3. Another person asked for comparison with other RIR charging schemes,
> and I provide links to the information on their websites:
> APNIC:
> https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/
> ARIN: https://www.arin.net/resources/fees/fee_schedule/
> AFRINIC: https://afrinic.net/membership/cost#resource
> LACNIC:
> https://www.lacnic.net/2399/2/lacnic/membership-fees-and-categories
>
> 4. There was a question on how we charge for those who are still on the
> waiting list and have not yet received any IPv4 address space. We are
> still looking at how this might work and it is something I can bring up
> during the Open House. Potentially, there could be a base membership fee
> and another fee once IPv4 resources are received.
>
> 5. There was a request for comment on the idea that the RIPE NCC had
> permitted multiple LIRs in order to allow some members to receive more
> address space. In fact, the members themselves voted at the General
> Meeting to allow this in 2016. There had been a resolution by the
> Executive Board to stop the creation of multiple LIR accounts in 2015;
> there was a lengthy discussion about this and the Board therefore asked
> the members to discuss the issue and make a decision on the matter in
> 2016.
>
> Board Resolution:
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/board-resolution-to-suspend-creation-of-multiple-lir-accounts
>
> Membership Vote:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2016
>
> Finally, there was a comment that we need to achieve a balance between
> fairness and complexity. This comment really resonates with me, given
> that there are possibly as many ways to charge as there are IPv6
> addresses. At the Open House next week, I plan to present updated models
> that take as much of your feedback as possible into account, and of
> course I'll share that information afterwards with the full membership.
>
> Charging Scheme 2024 Open House:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-charging-scheme-2024-consultation
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Simon Jan Haytink
> Finance Director
> RIPE NCC
>
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