[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

While the bottom line in RIPE-768 is 40M you really need to back out the depreciation and bad debt as they're non-cash expenses. So you end up with 38.9M EUR or so.

But otherwise, yeah.




Kaj

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From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis at v4escrow.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 8:30 PM
To: Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl>
Cc: Simon Jan Haytink <simon at ripe.net>; <members-discuss at ripe.net> <members-discuss at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

Hi,

the RIPE NCC budget has increased yearly for the past 10+ years. A non-for-profit registry that could operate with less than €20mil ten years ago needs more than twice the amount of money ten years later. Something has gone wrong if the organization spends twice as much money to offer similar services (sometimes of a poorer quality) to its members.

Most of the members NEED to pay a membership fee to the RIPE NCC because they can not get the registration services anywhere else. The non-for-proffit organization called the RIPE NCC is a monopoly that now spends €40m a year. So, today members are forced by the NCC to choose from a bad charging scheme and an even worse one. They will pay more yearly regardless of whether they need more or less services from the NCC.

I really believe a better accountability on what the NCC is planning to spend €40mil/year is needed before we vote on new charging schemes or price increases.

FYI, I looked at the budget the NCC had over the past 10+ years, collected the number of FTEs and the CAPEX:

2012, ripe-544: 129 FTEs, 19,16 mEUR
2013, ripe-558: 135 FTEs, 18,5 mEUR
2014, ripe-598: 136 FTEs, 20,8 mEUR
2015, ripe-630: 136.1 FTEs, 20,66 mEUR
2016, ripe-662: 141 FTEs, 22,32 mEUR
2017, ripe-671: 148.5 FTEs, 25,11 mEUR
2018, ripe-693: 155.2 FTEs, 26,89 mEUR
2019, ripe-711: 165.1 FTEs, 31,60 mEUR
2020, ripe-735: 165.1 FTEs, 34,44 mEUR
2021, ripe-750: 170 FTEs, 33,56 mEUR
2022, ripe-773: 186 FTEs, 35,60 mEUR
2023, ripe-786: 190.6 FTEs, 40,00 mEUR

Something happened in 2016-2017 that caused the NCC to increase the amount of money they need, dramatically. And since then, as no one seemed to make enough noise, the NCC and the Board kept increasing the budget until we got to this amount… €40mil.   So, the budget doubled in 2023 when compared to 2015, I wonder why...

At every RIPE Meeting there’s at least one person asking the NCC to find a way to spend less, and then the NCC and the Board ignore all that ‘noise’.
Why a registry of IP addresses and AS Numbers needs to spend 40 million EUR per year is beyond my comprehension. Why the NCC needs 200 FTEs in 2023 when they were doing just fine (or even better) doing a similar job in 2013 with just 135 is also unknown.

I’d suggest to the MD, the CFO and the Board to go back to the drawing board and figure out why the budget keeps going up. The services offered (those that 99% of the membership care for) are less and less (no one can get IPv4 anymore, they ask for an IPv6 allocation and an ASN and never come back to bother the NCC again… the price paid for membership should go down and not up.

I understand and agree that staff’s salaries should be increased because of the galloping inflation. What I do not understand is why the budget increased from €20m to €40m in less than 10 years… there must have been other reasons too.

I reject both charging scheme proposals.

my 2 cents,
Elvis


On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 02:02 Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl<mailto:sander at steffann.nl>> wrote:
Hi,

> On a side note, I also feel that the RIPE NCC’s budget is getting a bit out of control. RIPE NCC is primarily an Internet Registry, and I would like to see focus concentrating on Registration Services, and less on anything else. I understand that the RIPE NCC is in a useful position to do nice research projects, represent the internet community etc. But looking at the budget it looks like the rest of the organisation is growing much faster than the registry function. I therefore also object to the €450 price increase in model 1.

I had a chat with Hans Petter the other day, and he informed me that a significant part of the budget increase is caused by increasing staff salaries. Considering the recent inflation and economic circumstances I fully approve that. So if the fee increase is used to improve working conditions for RIPE NCC Staff, which are an important part of our community, I am perfectly fine with that!

Cheers,
Sander


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