[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

Hi,

I like the idea of having different tiered members if that would decrease
the amount members spend on the RIPE NCC membership. Some members just can
not afford €100/mo for a /24 and an ASN… and now we are talking again about
increasing that fee..
Tier 1 members would only get initial registration services included in the
membership fee, any additional questions/tickets opened would cost. Tier 2
would get a fixed number of interactions with the NCC per year, a free
training course, one RIPE Meeting ticket, etc.
Tier 3 would have everything included, as many training courses as they
need, several RIPE Meeting tickets, etc..

Elvis

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 06:01 Maria Merkel <maria.merkel at staclar.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> While I am responding to the parent message, I will also address some
> points raised in other replies.
>
> Our LIR primarily provides services to other group companies, but we also
> provide LIR services to some business and personal customers.
>
> My biggest concern is that if ASN assignments not only have their own
> fixed fee but also determine the membership fee tier, the cost of providing
> an ASN will become difficult to predict. This may be fine for internal and
> business customers as these can be charged a higher fee to compensate for
> this (perhaps by just assuming the worst case), but this may be more
> difficult for personal customers and we might be forced to discontinue this
> service for them entirely. If there is already a recurring per-ASN charge I
> do not see why the number of ASNs should also influence the membership fee
> tier.
>
> It is also unclear to me whether "Independent Internet number resource
> assignments" includes ASNs? I assume not as PI and ASN Category Scores are
> listed separately in Model 2, but it would be helpful if this could be
> clarified.
>
> I also do not understand why there is a separate sign-up fee and a "New
> membership Fee". Why are these not combined into a single sign-up fee?
>
> There is also some concern regarding the transfer fee. When something like
> a /22 is sold, a 1,000 € transfer fee obviously doesn't have too much of an
> impact, but this would be very different with a /24. It's unclear to me
> whether the transfer fee also applies to transfers of ASNs but if it does
> that also seems problematic for cases where ASNs are transferred free of
> charge between affiliated companies (and might actually encourage more ASNs
> being requested than are required).
>
> While I understand some of the concerns from others regarding the RIPE
> NCC's activities not being solely related to registry functions, I believe
> that this is justified and ultimately benefits its members. Maybe there
> should be a separate (cheaper) option to become an LIR without becoming a
> full member?
>
> —
> Maria Merkel
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> On March 7, 2023 at 10:43 AM GMT+1 simon at ripe.net wrote:
>
> Dear RIPE NCC members,
>
> We would like to re-open the consultation we began with the membership in
> 2021 on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme model, and we would like to carry out
> that consultation well in advance of the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) May
> 2023.
>
> In 2021, we presented on this topic at the GM, and we also surveyed our
> members and held an open house to get direct input on the charging scheme
> model that members would like to see implemented by the RIPE NCC. The
> outcome at that stage of the consultation was that there were strong cases
> made for both the current one-LIR, one-fee model and for a category-based
> model that would charge based on the number of resources held by a member.
> A strong case was also made to charge for all resources allocated or
> assigned by the RIPE NCC, including ASNs, and to charge a fee for
> transfers.
>
> The Executive Board decided to suspend the consultation in light of the
> war in Ukraine, but we are eager to decide on a way forward on this matter
> together with the membership.
>
> One of the main reasons that we would like to advance the discussion on
> the charging model is that we expect many members with multiple LIR
> accounts who received resources in 2021 to merge these accounts in the
> coming year. This means that the income the RIPE NCC receives will be
> reduced by a significant amount and we will need to ensure that our
> charging model allows us to collect the revenue required to maintain our
> operations. We believe that a category-based model would be best suited to
> cover this consolidation risk. Continuing with the existing model would
> mean that an increase in fees for all members would be required. Our
> ultimate goal is to arrive at a charging scheme model that will be
> sustainable for many years to come, meeting the needs of the RIPE NCC’s
> members.
>
> To help with discussion and to provide something tangible for members to
> assess, we are putting forward two draft models for members to review.
> These models can be summarised as:
>
> Model 1: A “one-LIR, one-fee” model based on the current RIPE NCC Charging
> Scheme 2023 that also charges for independent resources, ASNs, transfers
> and changes in business structure such as Mergers & Acquisitions.
>
> Model 2: A category-based model that charges per member (not per LIR
> account) and is based on resources registered and that also charges for
> independent resources, ASNs, transfers and changes in business structure
> such as Mergers & Acquisitions.
>
> In order to allow members to form an opinion based on their own situation,
> we are providing an Excel sheet that will allow you to calculate the fees
> you would pay under each of the draft models. It is important to be aware
> that at this stage, the numbers assigned for each item are indicative and
> would be reviewed in light of the discussion with members. We plan to
> review these figures following consultation with the members, and giving
> input on those figures would greatly help to arrive at a good model.
>
> You can download the Excel sheet from:
>
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/member-calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx
>
> We also plan to hold another Open House meeting on the Charging Scheme in
> March to further discuss the charging scheme models. The Executive Board
> will then take the input and decide on one or more charging schemes for the
> membership to vote on at the GM to be held on 24 May 2023. The outcome of
> that vote will determine the charging scheme model to be used in the coming
> years.
>
> I ask that you provide your input on this important consultation on the
> Membership Discussion mailing list (members-discuss at ripe.net) by 26
> April. Input provided up to this date will be considered by the Board when
> formulating the charging schemes to be proposed for the GM. Input after
> this date is of course also welcome although it might not be reflected in
> the schemes put forward to the membership at the GM.
>
> The consultation will also be recorded and available from:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations
>
> I look forward to your input.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Simon Jan Haytink
> Finance Director
> RIPE NCC
>
> Summary
>
> 7 March: Start consultation with membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme
> model
> 21 March: Open House to discuss charging scheme with membership
> 24 March: Executive Board meeting to discuss input received so far
> 12 April: Publication of Draft RIPE NCC Charging Schemes 2024
> 26 April: Publication of Final RIPE NCC Charging Schemes to be voted on by
> members
> 24 May: RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2023
>
> References
>
> Open House and Survey Results
>
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-charging-scheme-principles
>
> Presentation at General Meeting
>
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/documentation-and-archive/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-discus…
> <https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/documentation-and-archive/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-discussion.pdf>
>
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