[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

No Kaj

The numbers I wrote are all resources IANA delegated to to RIPE and I 
am sure not ALL of them are spread across the LIRs in RIPE region. So The 
sum collected money will be less than 50 milions. More likely around 40 
milions with the pricing I put 15 euro for each /22 IPV4, 15 euro for 
each /32 IPV6 and 15 euro for each ASN the LIR holds.

If I have to be honest I think 300 euro tax from each LIR (they are 22500 
or that is nearly 7 milions EURO for a year) are enough RIPE to do their 
job.

But let RIPE have better budget, I hope they can do something useful for 
us with our money, like to see supporting good opensource rpki cache 
server (like FORT which costs much less than RIPE RPKI Validator, and is 
times better), to support good opensource bgp like frr or bird, to support 
or develope new dhcpd6 combined with radvd, to write nice web HOWTOs with 
good practice for deploy IPV6 in the networks plus technical examples for 
different kind of equipment and many many more things that will be useful 
for the members.


And to be more clear for everyone let me explain what a LIR can hold for 
1500 euro which was nearly the LIR fee for 2023 by the charging scheme I 
wrote...

300 Euro - LIR fee
480 Euro - 32 x /22 IPV4 blocks (128 x /24 or 32768 IPV4 addresses if have free)
480 Euro - 32 x /31 IPV6 blocks (79228162514264337593543950336 IPV6 addresses)
240 Euro - 16 Autonomous systems
----
1500 Euro per year


RIPE logic is wrong to ask for same payments from multi bilions company 
like Deutshe Telecom, and a small operator in Moldova or Lebanon or 
whatever else in the region. The right logic _must_ be to encourage much 
more companies and organisations to become members and to pay small fees, 
because then and only then the RIPE bugget will be stable and solid.


Ivaylo Josifov
VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
Varna, Bulgaria


On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, Kaj Niemi wrote:

> Considering the 2023 budget [1, page 6] is a round 40M EUR, you are willing to add 9.6M EUR extra just like that?
>
>
> Kaj
>
>
> [1] https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-786.pdf
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024
>
> Hello,
>
> Nor scheme 1 nor scheme 2 are good and fair. Scheme 2 is litle step in the
> right direction but still far from from what must be.
>
> By IANA public documents delegated resources to RIPE are:
>
> 688128    IPV4 /22 blocks
> 2131972   IPV6 /32 blocks
> 42882     ASN
>
> By official data RIPE LIRs are 22500
>
> If constant yearly fee for each LIR is 300 euro, and charge 15 EURO for
> each block and ASN the LIRs holds (on /22 IPV4, /32 IPV6, and 1 ASN)
>
> RIPE will collect:
>
> 22500 * 300                   =  6 750 000 EURO
> (688128+2131972+42882)*15     = 42 944 730 EURO
>
> SUM: 49 694 730 EURO (nearly 50 milions)
>
> Which seems more than enough RIPE to function normally !
>
> On yearly basis RIPE can revisit member taxes depending if are collected
> more or less money and to ask for increase of constant LIR taxes (300 euro)
> or to return back money to LIRs (as RIPE done it up to 2021)
>
> That will be fair charging scheme for me. As more resources you hold, as
> bigger your organisation is, as more you have to pay.
>
>
> Ivaylo Josifov
> VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
> Varna, Bulgaria
>
>
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