[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

I would kindly note that the assumptions regarding future fiscal years’ budgets (2023 onward) vary somewhat from the realized budget. Is it better to work with the wrong pre-assumptions made some years ago or with the actual numbers in the same situation?

At least to me, when reading that PowerPoint, it seems like people at the top and everyone who saw that presentation had to be aware of a potential future budget deficit. Rather than rein in on expenditure in time, it has instead increased since.

Calling "comment on two billing models exercise" as something else than "finding a way to raise prices that can be agreed on by most" seems to me as somewhat intellectual dishonesty.

Now, if indeed the 2024 budget will be on the level of the 2024E budget mentioned in the presentation, yes, we can all stop here. I apologize for wasting everyone’s time and bandwidth. :)




Kaj

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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

Kaj Niemi wrote on 09/03/2023 13:59:
> Still, when the CFO equivalent for an organization comes asking for
> alternatives on how to raise prices to meet projected future budget from
> its customers (membership) I think it is super useful to look critically
> at what that organization spends its revenue on.

This mischaracterises where this discussion is coming from.  The aim is
not to find some new way to raise prices - that can be done in the
existing model by just raising the prices.  This discussion is the
continuation of a community engagement process started in 2021, and
outlined here:

> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fmeetings%2Fgm%2Fmeetings%2Fnovember-2021%-and-archive%2Fripe-ncc-charging-scheme-models.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7C767d28c64afb4fee08f708db20b69032%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638139740715680312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kVRDUgKUo96PCROWibFFFGlp83WA0W11YTmVyocMZDw%3D&reserved=0<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fmeetings%2Fgm%2Fmeetings%2Fnovember-2021%2Fdocumentation-and-archive%2Fripe-ncc-charging-scheme-models.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7C767d28c64afb4fee08f708db20b69032%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638139740715680312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kVRDUgKUo96PCROWibFFFGlp83WA0W11YTmVyocMZDw%3D&reserved=0>

I.e. it's the outcome of a member's survey initiated in 2020 on what
people wanted from the RIPE NCC. Page 3 includes:

> Survey Findings
> • There was a clear majority in favour of charging based on resources held

So, the membership wanted a discussion on the pricing model, and this is
now where we are.

In relation to the activity plan, the RIPE NCC presents this
centre-stage to the membership every year. Here's the FY2023 Plan:

> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fparticipate%2Fmeetings%2Fgm%2Fmeetings%2Foctober-2022%2Fdocumentation-and-archive%2Fdraft-ripe-ncc-activity-plan-and-budget-2023&data=05%7C01%7C%7C767d28c64afb4fee08f708db20b69032%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638139740715680312%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DmgStRGF9A2zSyXjd2BkqZ0bhnpFmMNr8CleKp2Hr8g%3D&reserved=0

There's a breakdown of costs on Page 6. I agree that it's important to
discuss this too, but it's a separate discussion which can easily be
decoupled from a pricing model.

Nick
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