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Oliver Roth
oliver.roth at nexphone.ch
Mon Jul 24 12:32:47 CEST 2023
Guten Tag Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend. Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen. Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an: support at nexphone.ch Freundliche Grüsse Oli Roth Am 14.07.2023 um 18:43 schrieb Cynthia Revström via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>: > Hi, > > First of all I want to point out that I think at least the charging scheme proposal that was just a 5% increase was basically the option to compensate for inflation. > > We also have to remember that the Executive Board has a very difficult job to balance everything. > Especially when just a small minority of the membership votes on things and an even smaller minority gives them actual input on mailing lists and in open house sessions. > > I suspect that a large reason for why so many members don't vote is just that they have better things to do and they trust the executive board to responsibly manage the association. > This is largely why I personally don't think they should even have offered a charging scheme that they knew would likely result in the NCC being underfunded. > But I also understand why they added it so I don't want to go too hard on them because it is a very difficult task. > > -Cynthia > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:19 PM Brandon Butterworth <hostmaster at bogons.net> wrote: > On Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:05:45PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us? > > It is not about us, it is about how we want RIPE to manage decreasing > membership and increasing costs. > > It does not say anything about salaries, though some may have a view > on that. RIPE will have to balance their salary and other costs however > they see fit, we were not asked to consider that detail. > > > I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way: > > - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent > > - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on > > The two are linked, having them separate in a time of high inflation > and reducing membership is a problem. > > RIPE set themselves up to fail. > > If it had been a simple vote for an inflation linked increase I > would probably have voted yes. > > Instead a change to the charging scheme was proposed which would > reduce the charge for the large number of recent members, perhaps > in an attempt to retain them as it is predicted many will sell their > newly aquired addresses. > > However the new scheme was tiered rather than a per IP scheme > > This would have moved the bulk of costs of inflation and decreasing > membership on to slightly larger members who would see significantly > larger fees in future years too. > > So I voted for the old scheme, and no increase, to tell RIPE they need > to address the increasing costs and falling membership rather than > expect us to just carry on paying more. > > > Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn???t make sense. > > It is perfectly sensible. It is saying we want the costs controlled > not rapidly increasing fees and unfair new charging schemes. > > brandon > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/oliver.roth%40nexphone.ch -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4422 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20230724/5ee10614/attachment.bin>
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