[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] 167th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting - Summary Notes

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Am 14.07.2023 um 18:43 schrieb Cynthia Revström via members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>:

> Hi,
> 
> First of all I want to point out that I think at least the charging scheme proposal that was just a 5% increase was basically the option to compensate for inflation.
> 
> We also have to remember that the Executive Board has a very difficult job to balance everything.
> Especially when just a small minority of the membership votes on things and an even smaller minority gives them actual input on mailing lists and in open house sessions.
> 
> I suspect that a large reason for why so many members don't vote is just that they have better things to do and they trust the executive board to responsibly manage the association.
> This is largely why I personally don't think they should even have offered a charging scheme that they knew would likely result in the NCC being underfunded.
> But I also understand why they added it so I don't want to go too hard on them because it is a very difficult task.
> 
> -Cynthia
> 
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:19 PM Brandon Butterworth <hostmaster at bogons.net> wrote:
> On Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:05:45PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
> > Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us?
> 
> It is not about us, it is about how we want RIPE to manage decreasing
> membership and increasing costs.
> 
> It does not say anything about salaries, though some may have a view
> on that. RIPE will have to balance their salary and other costs however
> they see fit, we were not asked to consider that detail.
> 
> > I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way:
> > - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent
> > - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on
> 
> The two are linked, having them separate in a time of high inflation
> and reducing membership is a problem.
> 
> RIPE set themselves up to fail.
> 
> If it had been a simple vote for an inflation linked increase I
> would probably have voted yes.
> 
> Instead a change to the charging scheme was proposed which would
> reduce the charge for the large number of recent members, perhaps
> in an attempt to retain them as it is predicted many will sell their
> newly aquired addresses.
> 
> However the new scheme was tiered rather than a per IP scheme
> 
> This would have moved the bulk of costs of inflation and decreasing
> membership on to slightly larger members who would see significantly
> larger fees in future years too.
> 
> So I voted for the old scheme, and no increase, to tell RIPE they need
> to address the increasing costs and falling membership rather than
> expect us to just carry on paying more.
> 
> > Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn???t make sense.
> 
> It is perfectly sensible. It is saying we want the costs controlled
> not rapidly increasing fees and unfair new charging schemes.
> 
> brandon
> 
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