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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Thu Apr 27 21:05:00 CEST 2023
Hi, (please see inline) On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, Daniel Suchy via members-discuss wrote: > Hello, > > On 4/25/23 03:52, Randy Bush wrote: >> now list the services provided to operators by each. you wanna get rid >> of ris, atlas, many dns services, new engineer education, ...? > > About DNS services, for example ccTLD secondaries we have *not* to pay at > all, their operator should pay to RIPE for that service. ccTLD is businesses > with profits for ccTLD operators. We don't have to sponsor it within RIPE, > and also there're other organisations which can help. We can provide this > service, but it should be paid by ccTLDs somewhat. Also for k-root/authdns, > part of costs is paid by other organisations, they pays electricity, hardware > and connectivity for hosting such instances. Strongly agree. > Yes, education is important, but at crisis times you should review spendings > even here, verify that costs are effective (expenses for used premises etc). > Moreover, nowadays it's possible to operate this remotelly even cheaper. > Presentations can be recorded and available 24/7 to anyone. And if you look > at the presentations across various events, the same materials and topics are > often repeated anyway. Yes. Completely agree. > Even with other services, you can find room for savings when money is not > forthcoming. Projects Fund in general is think we can have, when we have > surpluses during conjuncture. But it is a mistake to try to maintain them > without reduction when there aren't. This is what makes sense in most economies, and companies. > Such detains need in-depth audit, not only high-level naming of the some > services provided. In organizations with large budgets and generally > guaranteed income, there is often no tendency to seek internal savings. > > The devil is always hidden in the detail. How can this change? By electing different people to the Board? >> this discussion sometimes reminds me of the US house of representatives >> debt ceiling discussion. let's cut everything that does not benefit my >> state, or fossil fuels. > > But the discussion about optimization of expenses is important. It is not > possible to keep saying that "we have to pay more and more because we know > best how to spend your money for the good of the world". The problem is that, > according to some considered models, the costs for some member increase > rapidly. So i would label them as "bad models" :-)) > This will not be a issue with large companies/incumbents, but rather with > small and medium ones (and yes, organisation holding 16k IPv4 addresses is > *small* I think. And in some countries, especially in the area of Eastern > Europe, that financial jump in expenses in category-based can be a huge > problem. We have to remember that there are not only members from rich > regions. The discussion is not about cutting everything. But it is necessary > to consider empathetically from the point of view of organizations that come > from poorer regions. And in this, those of the richer ones may fail somewhat. I think that factor was never considered. The RIPE NCC service region spans through more than 70 economies. Maybe that is one of the issues........ Regards, Carlos > - Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/cfriacas%40fccn.pt >
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