[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft Charging Scheme Models 2024

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023, Will van Gulik wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 04:00:29PM +0200, Clement Cavadore wrote:
> >On Wed, 2023-04-12 at 15:45 +0200, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
> >>[ ... ] 
> >>Model A - Category Model
> >
> >Could you please share how many LIRs would enter in each category ?
> >And also, it still seems unfair to me that extra-large LIRs holding
> >millions of IPv4 would pay a few thousand euros. National fixed or
> >mobile internet service provider should be able to handle higher fees.
> 
> I would like to support that comment from Clement, it seems to me that
> huge players will not get impacted much by this charging plans. As I
> see it, some small ISPs (let's say with a /19) will get charged a
> 4th of what an incumbent (3215,3320,3303) would pay for their IPs,
> as the cap is a /15.
> 
> I might have missed the reason why the amount of IP doesn't look like it
> has been considered above this cap, at least for model A. I understand
> that it's a minority, however they " use " most of the IPs.
> 
> I think we are missing a point here in the calculation, the ~300
> ish LIRs with more than 500k IPs could have a higher fee, I suspect that
> most of them can easily afford it.

+1

I came to a similar conclusion in my e-mail from 2023-04-17. Capping at /15
with 10k EUR per year is IMHO an incentive by the NCC to large members, and
I'm still looking for an explanation. The largest RIPE members, from my
understanding, have more than 129 times more IPv4 addresses than category 9
covers, but they would only pay 2k EUR per year more than category 9.

>From my point of view, the RIPE NCC should add more categories and propose
higher fees for large members (and then adjust the scale). And the way IPv4
is IMHO capped too early, IPv6 is capped too late (at IPv6 /15 while the
largest members have only IPv6 /19, thus no member achieves IPv6 category
9 or 10, most likely for a long time given these members are the actual big
players in the RIPE region).


Kind regards

Robert Scheck
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