[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft Charging Scheme Models 2024

Hi,

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 09:07:08PM +0200, Maximilian Wilhelm wrote:
> If that's the argument here, than we should also introduce a charge for 
> IPv6 resources because all of the above applies there too. It's not a 
> scarce resource but we should keep track of it, and if it's not used it 
> should be returned, no?

Already in place - IPv6 resources are either PI (50 EUR/piece charge exists)
or PA, tied to LIR accounts, with LIR fees.

(Yes, there is no *extra* fee for IPv6 PA blocks, and I think that's a
feature - the goals "keep track of resources" and "incentivize *end users*
to return resources they no longer need" are both met)

[..]
> > I've never done the math on "how does this influence the NCC budget?" - but
> > assuming some 20.000 "RIPE" ASNs out there, and also assuming 50 EUR/year,
> > this would be a million EUR/year, which otherwise would have to be part
> > of the member fees.  So, while this was explicitly never my intention
> > ("lower our member fees by making other people pay for their ASN"), it
> > does have an effect - ASN fees and PI fees can be billed "onwards" toward
> > the customer, while the regular LIR fee is "mine to keep"...
> 
> Well the financial bit is another conversation. I've seen a lot of push 
> back here on increasing the fees and it seems a lot of folks would 
> rather like to see where spending could be reduced. But let's keep those 
> conversations separate.

Indeed, that's a separate conversation.  But if we do have agreement on
some sort of NCC budget, the question remains "how is that budget financed",
and "fee for ASNs" would inevitably lower the LIR fees (and vice versa),
to reach the same total budget.

TANSTAAFL :-) - if you want ASNs to be free, the money needs to come
from somewhere else.

(Reducing the budget will still not make things "free for all")

Gert Doering
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