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Paul Newton
paul.newton at f4rn.org.uk
Mon Apr 17 18:59:18 CEST 2023
A different slant on model A subsidising IP traders is that it may encourage LIRs sitting on unused IPs to release them into the market. We are a small community LIR but cannot afford to buy more IPs, which would be put to immediate use. Paul Newton F4RN On Mon, 17 Apr 2023, 18:35 Alexander Norman, <alexander at adminor.net> wrote: > Hello, > > Has anyone considered that model A carries the risk of subsidizing the IP > traders joining the waiting list? > Potentially this will enable IP traders to register and maintain many LIRs > with lower upfront (1250EUR) and recurring cost (250EUR) base membership > fee for those without allocations. > > Essentially allowing malicious actors to game the waiting list system by > maintaining many LIRs and possibly impact the democratic voting system > since LIRs get the same vote weight even if they pay less. > > I believe, having a low entry level such as this will risk an exodus of IP > holders and ranges to other regions where there is a lower fees while also > incurring substantially higher costs for longterm RIPE members. > > Best regards > Adminor AB > Alexander Norman > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> För Brandon > Butterworth > Skickat: Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:06 > Till: Akayo <ripe at akayo.eu> > Kopia: members-discuss at ripe.net > Ämne: Re: [members-discuss] Charging Scheme Models 2024 > > On Wed Apr 12, 2023 at 10:43:41PM +0200, Akayo wrote: > > Today we received the email of 12th April 2023 about the RIPE NCC > > charging scheme models A, B and C for 2024. Of course we used the > > calculator to find out how much we would be required to pay in future > > for option A. > > It feels like we're being gamed here but I don't know why. > > RIPE run this calculation for billing each year, it seems a needless > distraction to have everyone run it themselves when they could send us the > results for each option. > > Similarly they can work out which is the best option for each LIR and > total them up to figure which would win the vote if particpation was even. > > All this though is distracting from the fundamental issue of having > expanded/become more costly on the back of new LIRs mining the last IP > block, mostly for profit it seems as we're now facing them selling up. > > The priority should be to agree what we want to spend and then how we want > to split it up. I was fine letting RIPE make up a budget while the previous > cost models were not expensive, now it looks to become expensive I'm no > longer happy with that. > > I think the best option is to use current model, which is least worst as > we've all been paying it for some years, apply RPI increase, then let RIPE > determine how to live within it. Then we don't have all try and determine a > viable business model for something we don't really know much detail of. > > brandon > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alexander%40adminor.net > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/paul.newton%40f4rn.org.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20230417/23178c86/attachment.html>
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