[members-discuss] Legal compliance doubts

Dear Piotr,

I agree, positive, not the same democratic way.
But exclude interest conflict.
Anyway, I do not insist.

About you question - https://stat.ripe.net/special/country-report/

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:30 PM Piotr Karwowski <piotr at karwos.hk> wrote:
>
> I would feel very bad other way to discriminate any Group of members.
> I think the actual situation is pure patethic.
>
> I think we should proceed with voting with all LIR, but think about questions first.
>
> Do we have some table with stats - how many there are LIR per country in ripe domain ?
>
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> W dniu 23 mar 2022, o 12:25, użytkownik Serg Galat <greysticky at gmail.com> napisał:
>>
>> Dear Piotr,
>>
>> RIPE as a community can solve this by voting on two positions:
>>
>> 1. Should RIPE NCC allow russian LIRs to postpone their payments?
>> 2. Should RIPE NCC allow ukrainian LIRs to postpone their payments?
>>
>> Ukrainian and russian LIRs shall not vote in this poll.
>> Let the community to decide.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:43 PM Piotr Karwowski <piotr at karwos.hk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Do not forget that eventually voting might be disrupted.
>>>  I do not know exact numbers of RIPE members per country, but I think Russia might have quite high numbers of them.
>>>  Then we can have situation just like in United Nations, when Russia can simply make a veto.
>>>
>>>  And now we clearly see - UN Was established after WW2 to not repeat history and attentuate all eventual conflicts  at its first stages.
>>>
>>>  Veto way make UN completly useless organization now.
>>>
>>>  Any way to check how many members we have in RIPE per country ,
>>>
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>>>  W dniu 21 mar 2022, o 12:51, użytkownik Stary Bezpiek <stary.bezpiecznik at gmail.com> napisał:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  W dniu 19.03.2022 o 06:59, Taras Heichenko pisze:
>>>>
>>>>>   Peace.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I am glad to see that RIPE NCC is legally clean. There are questions about humanism but of course this is not a cope of work of RIPE NCC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  In my opinion - it is not.
>>>>  RIPE NCC claims to operate in accordance with its own policies, that are
>>>>  created by the community.
>>>>
>>>>  Meanwhile, we have a selective treatment of Members in terms of payments
>>>>  without:
>>>>  a) RIPE NCC resolutions
>>>>  b) without annexes to contracts with users.
>>>>  c) policy change
>>>>  Neither the Agreement nor the existing policies allow for discretionary
>>>>  behavior like "this user may not pay, and others must" without formal
>>>>  authorization.
>>>>
>>>>  Of course Ukraine as an attacked country can and must be treated with
>>>>  any aid, including exemption from payments, when possible. But it has to
>>>>  be passed by a resolution of the RIPE NCC ordinance. The resolution may
>>>>  contain one sentence: "We do not issue invoices to Ukrainian members
>>>>  until the end of the war." Vote: who is in favor? All? The End.
>>>>
>>>>  On the other end is Russia, as a country that has been subject to
>>>>  sanctions. It should not be of our interest, that they cannot pay. In
>>>>  result, recognizing that Russia users may not pay, because they have
>>>>  "banking difficulties" means, that no one from Russia will pay. Without
>>>>  any consequences. Although they probably can pay. Letting go at this
>>>>  point is very unfair to other Members.
>>>>
>>>>  I also have a difficult in payment because the Euro exchange rate is
>>>>  very high. Does it interest someone?
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>  Stary Bezpiecznik
>>>>
>>>>
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Sergey