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Alexey S. Berezhnev alex at mac3.ru
Sat Mar 5 22:50:13 CET 2022
Not to mention, that it will loose, unfortunately.

A long lasting guerrilla warfare tops.

Still, I do not get the  point of taking the political mess into 
inter-OP cooperation, network coordination.

Our duty is to provide connectivity, and keep registries.


On 06.03.2022 0:30, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:
> Your ostensible hysteria is so disgusting.
> You are a very poor performer.
> 06.03.2022, 00:25, "Alexander Shikov" <a.shikov at itcons.net.ua>:
>
>     I don't give a shit what you or other russia-supportes will think
>     about me.
>     The only thing I care about right now, is when your smelly army
>     leaves my country.
>     Since 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea and created so-called DPR
>     and LPR with
>     the hands of its puppets and regular army, we were too polite. We
>     took care of
>     community, we respected RIPE neutrality, and so on. Someone should
>     remember a case from 2014, when RIPE NCC allocated resources to
>     non-existent
>     entity from so-called DPR.
>
>     But you see, the problem of russians is that they admit only their
>     position.
>     They don't care about other position or rights. They do not adhere
>     to any
>     international treaties. They just disrespect all other world. They
>     were shitting
>     in the heads of EU citizens too long via their propaganda channels
>     like Sputnik,
>     Russia Today, etc. And as a result we have this war.
>
>     ENOG is dead from 2014. I don't know how we're going to meet
>     russians on other
>     events in future, I cannot think about that right now.
>
>     I clearly understand that this discussion is not a right place for
>     my texts,
>     but someone had to say that.
>
>     To those who's still supporting Russian politics, please have a look
>     - streets of Kharkiv after massive shelling from russian MRLS:
>     https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905590268439916544-VRFA
>     - unarmed ukrainians in Melitopol are forcing russian militaries
>     to get out of city:
>     https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905804699363332096-yHd3
>     - Bila Tserkva after strike of cruise missile:
>     https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrii_prayforukraine-activity-6905831327912783872-8bTM
>     - destroyed russian military vehicles in center of Bucha, town
>     near Kyiv:
>     https://cdn3.suspilne.media/images/resize/1040x2.5/6230fcffacf26b80.jpg
>     - ukrainian soldies are evacuating civilians from Irpen, destroyed
>     by russian shellings:
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s
>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s>
>     ... and so on, so on, infinite photos and videos of how Russia
>     "protects"
>     people.
>
>     And after all these crimes someone are trying to keep "ENOG
>     community"?
>     We're really going to vote?!
>     Moreover, someone keeps supporting Russia? Hey, Italian person,
>     cowardly hiding
>     your real name behind a role, do you support killing of peaceful
>     civilians?
>     Don't you think that Ukraine will forget about that?
>
>     Now I'm off.
>
>     P.S. I kindly thank to those who support us in this war. Ukraine
>     will win.
>
>     On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 22:18:09 +0300, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:
>
>             Do not make fool of yourself
>
>
>
>             05.03.2022, 22:13, "Alexander Shikov"
>         <a.shikov at itcons.net.ua>:
>
>               Did your grandpa support Hitler?
>               On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 19:44:34 +0100, Amministrazione
>         Viama srl wrote:
>
>                   Alex I would instead support Russia because many or
>         to precise better, no one
>               understand
>                   really what happening.
>                   I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion.
>                   Thanks Russia.
>
>                   Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <[1]alex at mac3.ru> ha scritto:
>
>                   It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR
>         members, who receive money from Russian
>                   companies display hate against Russia. Feeling
>         comfortable sitting on two chairs,
>               eh?
>                   Alexey Berezhnev CEO
>                   MACTREE SYSTEMS
>                   [1]79032697800
>                   [2][2]alex at mac3.ru
>
>                   oh those sweet dreams…….
>
>                     Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk.
>         Krantz
>               <[3][3]mikael at noackgroup.se>:
>
>                   I would like to see the shutdown of internet to
>         Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's
>               connected to
>                   Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken
>         back from Russia.
>                   There is no point letting them use the resources
>         that Europe gives them. Let them
>               fall into
>                   a isolated country without any access to resources
>         from the rest of the world.
>                   Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them
>         have no access or ability to travel
>               to any
>                   nice warm country.
>                   Just shut them down.
>                   Regards
>                   mikael krantz
>                   -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>                   Från: members-discuss
>         <[4][4]members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> För alex
>                   Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30
>                   Till: members-discuss <[5][5]members-discuss at ripe.net>
>                   Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to
>         terminate ENOG
>                   I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics
>         is unacceptable under any
>               circumstances.
>                   > When I read these stories about democracy, voting,
>         etc. nonsense, I
>                   > cant't believe my eyes.
>                   >
>                   > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022
>         is definitely
>                   > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka,
>         don't smoke grass.
>                   > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians
>         people their houses,
>                   > cluster bombs kill children.
>                   >
>                   > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
>                   >
>                   > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let
>         their own people disarm
>                   > them. Go to work!
>                   >
>                   > --
>                   > Stary Bezpiek
>                   >
>                   > Слава Україні!
>                   > русский корабль иди нахуй!
>                   >
>                   > W dniu [6]05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via
>         members-discuss pisze:
>                   > >
>                   > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign
>         country . The
>                   > > Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary
>         people, so RIPE
>                   > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to
>         make Russia feel
>                   > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
>                   > >
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>                   > > *From:*members-discuss
>         <[14][9]members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf
>                   > > Of *C A
>                   > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42
>                   > > *To:* NOC <[15][10]noc at medsigroup.ru>
>                   > > *Cc:* ENOG <[16][11]enog at ripe.net>;
>         [17][12]discuss at enog.org; Members Discuss
>                   > > <[18][13]members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE
>         Programme Committee
>               <[19][14]pc at ripe.net>;
>                   > > [20][15]support at voks.ua; ENOG Programme
>         Committee <[21][16]pc at enog.org>;
>                   > > [22][17]exec-board at ripe.net
>                   > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to
>         terminate ENOG
>                   > >
>                   > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
>                   > >
>                   > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
>                   > >
>                   > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on
>         it's own through lack
>                   > > of participation.
>                   > >
>                   > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
>                   > >
>                   > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC,
>         <[23][18]noc at medsigroup.ru> wrote:
>                   > >
>                   > > Спасибо, что поправили.
>                   > > ?
>                   > >
>                   > >
>                   > > С уважением,
>                   > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
>                   > >
>                   > > Руководитель проектов
>                   > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры
>                   > > Блока по информационным технологиям
>                   > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ»
>                   > > тел. [24]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [25]11011
>                   > > моб.[26]+7 (915) 119-89-58
>                   > >
>                   > > [27][19]www.medsi.ru <https://www.medsi.ru/>
>         <[28][20]http://www.medsi.ru>
>                   > >
>                   > >
>                   > > -----Original Message-----
>                   > > From: [29][21]ripe at voks.ua
>         [mailto:[30][22]ripe at voks.ua]
>                   > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM
>                   > > To: NOC <[31][23]noc at medsigroup.ru>
>                   > > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko
>         <[32][24]nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com>;
>                   > > [33][25]exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG
>         <[34][26]enog at ripe.net>;
>               [35][27]discuss at enog.org;
>                   > > Members Discuss
>         <[36][28]members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
>                   > > Committee <[37][29]pc at ripe.net>; ENOG Programme
>         Committee <[38][30]pc at enog.org>
>                   > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to
>         terminate ENOG
>                   > >
>                   > > Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять
>         вопросительный знак, не
>                   > > так ли?
>                   > >
>                   > > --
>                   > > [39][31]www.voks.ua <https://www.voks.ua/>
>         <[40][32]http://www.voks.ua>
>                   > >
>                   > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
>                   > > > Добрый вечер!
>                   > > > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные
>         технические вопросы!
>                   > > >
>                   > > >
>                   > > > С уважением,
>                   > > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
>                   > > >
>                   > > > Руководитель проектов
>                   > > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры
>                   > > > Блока по информационным технологиям
>                   > > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ»
>                   > > > тел. [41]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [42]11011
>                   > > > [43][33]www.medsi.ru <https://www.medsi.ru/>
>         <[44][34]http://www.medsi.ru>
>                   > > >
>                   > > > -----Original Message-----
>                   > > > From: members-discuss
>                   > >[mailto:[45][35]members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On
>                   > > > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko
>                   > > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM
>                   > > > To: [46][36]exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG
>         <[47][37]enog at ripe.net>;
>                   > >[48][38]discuss at enog.org;
>                   > > > Members Discuss
>         <[49][39]members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
>                   > > Committee
>                   > > > <[50][40]pc at ripe.net>; ENOG Programme
>         Committee <[51][41]pc at enog.org>
>                   > > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to
>         terminate ENOG
>                   > > >
>                   > > > If there are doubts about the viability of the
>         existence of
>                   > > ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting
>         procedures.
>                   > > > When individuals try to decide the fate of a
>         large community,
>                   > > reinforcing the importance of their decision
>         with their official
>                   > > position or/and personal circumstances, this is
>         not right at all.
>                   > > >
>                   > > > Considering that many of the people are in a
>         difficult
>                   > >emotional
>                   > > state and a state of great stress, which
>         interfere with their
>                   > > ability making proper decisions, i propose to
>         vote on this
>                   > >matter
>                   > > in the fall.
>                   > > > I hope by this time the events will have
>         settled down.
>                   > > >
>                   > > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
>                   > > >
>                   > > >
>                   > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
>                   > > > > Peace,
>                   > > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always
>         was, and will
>                   > >ever
>                   > > be, —
>                   > > > > because the only thing I've always valued
>         the most is peace)
>                   > > > >
>                   > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the
>         Eurasian Network
>                   > > Operators
>                   > > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due
>         respect, request that
>                   > > the RIPE
>                   > > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and
>         cancel all the
>                   > > potential
>                   > > > > future meetings indefinitely.
>                   > > > >
>                   > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the
>         decision of the
>                   > >RIPE
>                   > > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be
>         incorporating
>                   > > Ukrainian,
>                   > > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian,
>         Azerbaijanian, and many other
>                   > > > > regional communities in the hope of building
>         a better shared
>                   > > > > Internet space among the communities.
>                   > > > >
>                   > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even
>         the prior events),
>                   > >the
>                   > > > > said "ENOG community" does not exist
>         anymore, and in no way
>                   > >it
>                   > > could
>                   > > > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to
>         arrange a
>                   > >programme
>                   > > for
>                   > > > > all the distinct and divided communities
>         colloqually
>                   > > recognized as
>                   > > > > ENOG at the time.
>                   > > > >
>                   > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a
>         request like this
>                   > > > > should've gone through a voting process in
>         the PC; however,
>                   > >we
>                   > > > > currently have several PC members under
>         ongoing _missile
>                   > > attacks_,
>                   > > > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to
>         arrange any vote
>                   > > in the PC.
>                   > > > >
>                   > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian
>         citizen, I
>                   > >don't
>                   > > > > believe I should assume there's a consensus
>         in the entire
>                   > >RIPE
>                   > > > > Service Region to still invest trust in me,
>         without further
>                   > >due
>                   > > > > diligence, to hold any official community
>         position in the
>                   > >RIPE
>                   > > > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as
>         the PC Chair.
>                   > > > >
>                   > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC
>         Executive Board
>                   > >to
>                   > > decide
>                   > > > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC
>         Executive Board
>                   > >to
>                   > > act.
>                   > > > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive
>         Board to
>                   > >consider any
>                   > > > > future alignments to replace ENOG.
>                   > > > >
>                   > > > > Stay safe.
>                   > > > >
>                   > > > > --
>                   > > > > Töma
>                   > > > >
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>                References
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>                   3. [67]mailto:mikael at noackgroup.se
>         <mailto:mikael at noackgroup.se>
>                   4.
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>         <http://file///[email protected]>
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>                   8. [72]tel:07956592260
>                   9.
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>                  10. [74]http://www.in-services.co.uk/
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