[members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG

I've kept away of all this discussion.
Despite I condemn all sort of violence, attacks, war, etc... I don't think or agree that Russia should be excluded from RIPE.
Don't condemn the people for their government actions.

Note: RIPE is not and should not take part of political issues or decisions. RIPE should always be kept independent and neutral.

That is my opinion. It's not our job to play God.

Had this said, stop harassing members and ask to take actions on unrelated political problems.

My taughts are with Ukrainian people and Russian people that fight their government.

Peace for all.


Em 5/03/2022, 10:43, em 10:43, "Mikael mk. Krantz" <mikael at noackgroup.se> escreveu:
>I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all
>LIR's connected to Russia  and I would like all the ip-resources taken
>back from Russia. 
>There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives
>them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to
>resources from the rest of the world.
>Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or
>ability to travel to any nice warm country.
>
>Just shut them down. 
>
>Regards
>mikael krantz
>
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>under any circumstances. 
>> When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I 
>> cant't believe my eyes.
>>
>> The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely 
>> different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. 
>> Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses,
>
>> cluster bombs kill children.
>>
>> And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
>>
>> If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people
>disarm 
>> them. Go to work!
>>
>> --
>> Stary Bezpiek
>>
>> Слава Україні!
>> русский корабль иди нахуй!
>>
>> W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
>> >
>> > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The 
>> > Russian army is  killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE 
>> > standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel 
>> > isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
>> >
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>> > *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On
>Behalf 
>> > Of *C A
>> > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42
>> > *To:* NOC <noc at medsigroup.ru>
>> > *Cc:* ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; discuss at enog.org; Members Discuss 
>> > <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc at ripe.net>;
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>> > support at voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>; 
>> > exec-board at ripe.net
>> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
>> >
>> > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
>> >
>> > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
>> >
>> > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack 
>> > of participation.
>> >
>> > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc at medsigroup.ru> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Спасибо, что поправили.
>> >     ?
>> >
>> >
>> >     С уважением,
>> >     Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
>> >
>> >     Руководитель проектов
>> >     Департамента развития инфраструктуры
>> >     Блока по информационным технологиям
>> >     АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ»
>> >     тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011
>> >     моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58
>> >
>> >     www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru>
>> >
>> >
>> >     -----Original Message-----
>> >     From: ripe at voks.ua [mailto:ripe at voks.ua]
>> >     Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM
>> >     To: NOC <noc at medsigroup.ru>
>> >     Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com>;
>> >     exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; discuss at enog.org;
>> >     Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
>> >     Committee <pc at ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>
>> >     Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
>> >
>> >     Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не
>> >     так ли?
>> >
>> >     --
>> >     www.voks.ua <http://www.voks.ua>
>> >
>> >     On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
>> >     > Добрый вечер!
>> >     > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > С уважением,
>> >     > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
>> >     >
>> >     > Руководитель проектов
>> >     > Департамента развития инфраструктуры
>> >     > Блока по информационным технологиям
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>> >     >
>> >     > -----Original Message-----
>> >     > From: members-discuss 
>> >[mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On
>> >     > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko
>> >     > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM
>> >     > To: exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; 
>> >discuss at enog.org;
>> >     > Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
>> >     Committee
>> >     > <pc at ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>
>> >     > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
>> >     >
>> >     > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of
>> >     ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
>> >     > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community,
>> >     reinforcing the importance of their decision with their
>official
>> >     position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at
>all.
>> >     >
>> >     > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult 
>> >emotional
>> >     state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their
>> >     ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this 
>> >matter
>> >     in the fall.
>> >     > I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
>> >     >
>> >     > Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
>> >     > > Peace,
>> >     > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will 
>> >ever
>> >     be, —
>> >     > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is
>peace)
>> >     > >
>> >     > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network
>> >     Operators
>> >     > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that
>> >     the RIPE
>> >     > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the
>> >     potential
>> >     > > future meetings indefinitely.
>> >     > >
>> >     > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the
>
>> >RIPE
>> >     > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating
>> >     Ukrainian,
>> >     > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many
>other
>> >     > > regional communities in the hope of building a better
>shared
>> >     > > Internet space among the communities.
>> >     > >
>> >     > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior
>events), 
>> >the
>> >     > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way
>
>> >it
>> >     could
>> >     > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a 
>> >programme
>> >     for
>> >     > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually
>> >     recognized as
>> >     > > ENOG at the time.
>> >     > >
>> >     > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like
>this
>> >     > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however,
>
>> >we
>> >     > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile
>> >     attacks_,
>> >     > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any
>vote
>> >     in the PC.
>> >     > >
>> >     > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I 
>> >don't
>> >     > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire 
>> >RIPE
>> >     > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further
>
>> >due
>> >     > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the 
>> >RIPE
>> >     > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
>> >     > >
>> >     > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board 
>> >to
>> >     decide
>> >     > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board 
>> >to
>> >     act.
>> >     > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to 
>> >consider any
>> >     > > future alignments to replace ENOG.
>> >     > >
>> >     > > Stay safe.
>> >     > >
>> >     > > --
>> >     > > Töma
>> >     > >
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