[members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I 
cant't believe my eyes.

The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely 
different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take 
off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster 
bombs kill children.

And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.

If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm 
them. Go to work!

-- 
Stary Bezpiek

Слава Україні!
русский корабль иди нахуй!


W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
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> The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian 
> army is  killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be 
> counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all 
> ties with Russia.
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> *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf 
> Of *C A
> *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42
> *To:* NOC <noc at medsigroup.ru>
> *Cc:* ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; discuss at enog.org; Members Discuss 
> <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc at ripe.net>; 
> support at voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>; 
> exec-board at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
>
> Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
>
> The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
>
> If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of 
> participation.
>
> Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
>
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc at medsigroup.ru> wrote:
>
>     Спасибо, что поправили.
>     ?
>
>
>     С уважением,
>     Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
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>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: ripe at voks.ua [mailto:ripe at voks.ua]
>     Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM
>     To: NOC <noc at medsigroup.ru>
>     Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com>;
>     exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; discuss at enog.org;
>     Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
>     Committee <pc at ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>
>     Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
>
>     Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не
>     так ли?
>
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>     On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
>     > Добрый вечер!
>     > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
>     >
>     >
>     > С уважением,
>     > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
>     >
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>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On
>     > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko
>     > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM
>     > To: exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; discuss at enog.org;
>     > Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
>     Committee
>     > <pc at ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>
>     > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
>     >
>     > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of
>     ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
>     > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community,
>     reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official
>     position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
>     >
>     > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional
>     state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their
>     ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter
>     in the fall.
>     > I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
>     >
>     > Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
>     >
>     >
>     > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
>     > > Peace,
>     > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever
>     be, —
>     > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
>     > >
>     > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network
>     Operators
>     > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that
>     the RIPE
>     > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the
>     potential
>     > > future meetings indefinitely.
>     > >
>     > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE
>     > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating
>     Ukrainian,
>     > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other
>     > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared
>     > > Internet space among the communities.
>     > >
>     > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the
>     > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it
>     could
>     > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme
>     for
>     > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually
>     recognized as
>     > > ENOG at the time.
>     > >
>     > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this
>     > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we
>     > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile
>     attacks_,
>     > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote
>     in the PC.
>     > >
>     > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't
>     > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE
>     > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due
>     > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE
>     > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
>     > >
>     > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to
>     decide
>     > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to
>     act.
>     > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any
>     > > future alignments to replace ENOG.
>     > >
>     > > Stay safe.
>     > >
>     > > --
>     > > Töma
>     > >
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