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Cynthia Revström
me at cynthia.re
Sat Nov 7 13:13:47 CET 2020
I do still think that there should have been some more transparency when the report was published for those interested, such as easier to find the meeting minutes, and also I don't know why the mailing list archive is no longer available. - Cynthia On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 1:12 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote: > Marcus, > > This was pretty much the point I was trying to make, thank you for putting > it into words better than I could :) > > - Cynthia > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 1:04 PM Marcus Stoegbauer <lysis at lys.is> wrote: > >> [ trimmed down excessive CC list ] >> >> My definition of self appointed doesn’t seem to line up with yours. >> The task force was appointed by the Executive Board and made up from >> members of the community. Can you please elaborate where the “self >> appointed” claim is coming from? >> >> I also would like to strongly oppose the notion that such mailing lists >> need to be public. The mailing list was a communication tool to form >> thoughts and guide discussion towards the goal of the task force. Free >> discussions within a task force IMO can only happen when the task force >> can openly voice their opinions without thinking about how they are >> perceived by a wider public audience. The discussions might as well >> exclusively happen in video calls, and I sure hope you wouldn’t >> request access of the public to those calls. >> >> In summary: task forces are formed to work out a goal, for which they >> require privacy. Minutes of the discussions and regular updates (if >> it’s a longer running process) can be sensible to keep the public >> informed, but with this task force the final report contained plenty of >> information. Additionally, the final report was presented to the members >> and there was a vote on the relevant passages, so I fail to see how >> damages could be done by this proceeding. >> >> Marcus >> >> On 7 Nov 2020, at 12:23, Harry Cross wrote: >> >> > I don't agree unfortunately, and I don't think self appointed groups >> > within >> > the NCC should be allowed to lock themselves away to make decisions >> > about >> > this sort of thing without some form of scrutiny. The mailing list >> > doesn't >> > have to be open to all to reply too, but at least to give a live >> > overview >> > of what is going on. >> > >> > At the moment it looks like a self appointed group was allowed to make >> > recommendations, without any sort of chain of thought being made >> > public until after it had happened and the damage has been done. RIPE >> > Board, I would like to suggest that a rule is instigated in future to >> > prohibit any mailing list being made private (bar anything for the >> > members only), so that proper scrutiny of the work of the NCC and it's >> > TFs >> > can be undertaken. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Harry >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 9:53 AM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> (directed to EB) >> >> The archives appear to be gone, this needs to be fixed. >> >> >> >> (directed to Harry) >> >> The doodles were just scheduling times when the TF members were >> >> available >> >> for calls. >> >> >> >>> Surely if the membership had requested for this to happen, it makes >> >> sense to allow them to be involved in the discussion. >> >> >> >> This is not quite true, it was the Executive Board who called for the >> >> Task >> >> Force to be created to write a report of suggested changes that the >> >> EB >> >> could present to the members for them to vote on. >> >> >> >>> Some people may not want to commit to a full task force membership, >> >>> but >> >> still give their view. >> >> >> >> Sadly I don't think this would have worked at all if it was a public >> >> mailing list. We needed a group of people who were invested into the >> >> issue >> >> and not have a bunch of comments from all over the place. >> >> The diversity-tf is/was(?) an open mailing list, that pretty much >> >> failed >> >> in my opinion due to it, and I think that this TF would have had the >> >> same >> >> outcome if it was open. >> >> >> >> -Cynthia >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 18:02 Harry Cross <me at harrycross.me> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> I've just had a cursory glance through the report and the mailing >> >>> list >> >>> minutes. >> >>> >> >>> I'd like to ask why the mailing list was not open to all please, I >> >>> saw >> >>> the minutes mentioned this but there was no explanation of why? >> >>> Surely if >> >>> the membership had requested for this to happen, it makes sense to >> >>> allow >> >>> them to be involved in the discussion. Some people may not want to >> >>> commit >> >>> to a full task force membership, but still give their view. >> >>> >> >>> I also tried to get to the Doodles and they don't work. Are they >> >>> public >> >>> at all please? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks >> >>> >> >>> Harry >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> members-discuss mailing list >> >>> members-discuss at ripe.net >> >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> >>> Unsubscribe: >> >>> >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re >> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > members-discuss mailing list >> > members-discuss at ripe.net >> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> > Unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/lysis%40lys.is >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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