[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service

We've also done three transfers thanks to this service and would like to
see it improved instead (e.g. drop sellers/buyers that's not responding).

Viktor Ekmark
ELASTX | Public Cloud made in Sweden

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 17:30, Brian Turnbow via members-discuss <
members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:

> Hi Felipe,
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> I agree with maintain the listing service
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> We have done three transfers with contacts made through the service.
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> Best Regards
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> Brian
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> *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On
> Behalf Of *David Croft
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2020 5:07 PM
> *To:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> *Cc:* Felipe Victolla Silveira <fvictolla at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning
> the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
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> Hi Felipe
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> If I was in the need of additional IPv4 space, I would much rather go to a
> location that is (a) central (b) legitimate (c) verifies that the
> transferer actually has the rights to the address space and (d) where I can
> be reasonably assured the sellers abide by RIPE policies.
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> I assume following recent discussions that those brokers found breaking
> RIPE policy are now actively being removed, so this list is probably the
> best I could hope for. And any other listing service would not have the
> ability that you do to verify that the user has the address space in
> question registered to them.
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> I would much rather this service continue to be maintained by the NCC than
> have to trawl the internet and deal with some of the shadier characters out
> there. And I don't feel it is a big ask of the NCC, as it falls under the
> core remit of responsible stewardship of the resources.
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> And a note on the timing and your perceived utilisation statistics. Just
> because I have not had a need for it just yet, does not mean I cannot
> foresee a circumstance in the near future where I will need it. We have
> only just reached the point of IPv4 runout.
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> I would also raise concerns that "a full reimplementation would be needed
> to continue supporting it" - how has it been allowed to be developed in
> such an unmaintainable manner that this is the only way to continue
> operating it?
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> Regards
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> David
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> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 12:59, Felipe Victolla Silveira <fvictolla at ripe.net>
> wrote:
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> Dear members,
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> In my update at RIPE 80[1], I mentioned that we would like to decommission
> the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service unless there there were strong
> objections. So far, we have heard no requests to keep the service.
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> In case anyone is unfamiliar with this, the listing service allows members
> to offer/request IPv4 prefixes for transfer:
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> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/listing
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> While there are currently 681,000 IPv4 addresses "offered" on the listing
> service, when we attempted to match LIRs that had used the service with
> those that went on to make a transfer, we couldn't find much of a
> correlation. Of the 1,969 LIRs that transferred resources in our service
> region last year, only 76 had posted on the listing service and it's not
> clear whether the service actually connected the offering/receiving parties
> for these cases.
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> As the listing service is reaching the end of its lifespan, a full
> reimplementation would be needed to continue supporting it. Given that the
> listing service does not appear to be adding much in terms of value,
> spending development time on this does seem like a good use of members'
> funds.
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> We are therefore planning to discontinue the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
> on 22 June. If you have strong objections to this, please let us know or
> share feedback on members-discuss.
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> Regards
>
> Felipe Victolla Silveira
> Chief Operations Officer
> RIPE NCC
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> [1] RIPE NCC Operational Update:
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> https://ripe80.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/28-Operational-Update-RIPE-80-to-upload.pdf
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