[members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer

Hello,

At the past it was the main idea, that if you don`t use IP`s you return
them back to RIPE.
But, in such case, NOBODY return IP`s back.
Everyone thinks "we can use them later" OR "what we will do if we need
IP`s later and we already returned them".
Especially now, when no IP`s avail anymore. Who will return ? Ofc NOBODY.

I think that it`s the MAIN REASON why RIPE permit selling when IPv4 is over.
Bc now, at least somehow, organizations, who need IP`s can receive them.
It's better than nothing.

I DON`T tell that I`am not agree with you. I AGREE with you, bc I also
don`t like situation with selling.
But I just can understand RIPE`s  decision.

Think about it.

-- 
С наилучшими пожеланиями :: With best regards,
Дмитрий Николаев :: Dmitry Nikolaev


On 29.11.2019 14:35, noc wrote:
> It's been a while that I am reading the messages and not answering. 
> But in my opinion, this deserves to be answered. 
>
> Almost all brokers/operators here try to sell something that they
> don't own.
>
> You guys should put something on your heads: the ips don't belong to
> you. They are NOT yours!
> The IPs belong to RIPE and RIPE assign you a range for you to use.
>
> The RIPE transfer was never meant to be used to make profit. It was
> created to transfer ips between LIRs that need IPs and LIRs that don't
> need IPs.
>
> I have seen a lot of "we sell ips from RIPE, ARIN, etc...". You don't
> sell them. You can't sell something that don't belong to you. Don't you?
>
> This topic seriously needs to be handled by RIPE. 
> In my opinion, the IP ranges that are on IP transfers should be taken
> back by RIPE and given to LIRs in need.
>
> Regards 
>
>
>
> Enviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>
>
> -------- Mensagem original --------
> De : Stuart Willet <stu at safehosts.co.uk>
> Data: 29/11/19 12:05 (GMT+01:00)
> Para: Kseniya Sokol <ksyu at netassist.ua>, members-discuss at ripe.net
> Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer
>
> Are you seriously trying to sell IPv4 space via the members discuss
> mailing list, which is being used to discuss the underhand tactics of
> people just like you?
>
> I think it's time I pulled out of the mailing list.All I have seen is
> decent people raise decent points only to be shot down and taken over
> by Spamy IPv4 brokers.
>
> Congratulations once more RIPE for not being able to organise a
> proverbial drink up in a brewery.
>
> /me left
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On
> Behalf Of Kseniya Sokol
> Sent: 29 November 2019 10:28
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer
>
> Hi
> So here it becomes the same market, and the same propositions as you
> start to condemned in discussion
>   "RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers"
> We also do have a lot of IP addresses and price is not to high.
>
> Regards,
>
> 29.11.2019 12:05, Hassan Dirsanji пишет:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > An IPv4 block /19 with is a PI allocation available for immediate
> transfer.
> > Please let me know if you are interested in.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 13:11 Pablo Serrano <info at pabloserrano.net
> > <mailto:info at pabloserrano.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     50$ per ip and free hugs it's a good BF!
> >
> >     Nikolay Gorstkin wrote on 2019-11-29 10:32:
> >      > :))
> >      > Yeah!! This morning I heard a price of $ 40 / per address :)
> >      > Anti-BF !
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >> 29 нояб. 2019 г., в 12:27, Bunea Petru <suport at bunea.eu
> >     <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>> написал(а):
> >      >>
> >      >> I think we can tell for sure this is a reverse Black Friday.
> >     Maybe a first in BF history.
> >      >>
> >      >> Sent from my iPhone
> >      >>
> >      >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 11:24, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa at net-art.cz
> >     <mailto:kaa at net-art.cz>> wrote:
> >      >>>
> >      >>> 
> >      >>> I was waiting for such message here, in m-d list!
> >      >>>
> >      >>>
> >      >>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 09:42, José Manuel Giner <jm at ginernet.com
> >     <mailto:jm at ginernet.com>> wrote:
> >      >>>>
> >      >>>> Hello,
> >      >>>>
> >      >>>> we're interested to buy (full-transfer) a /22,
> >      >>>>
> >      >>>> If anybody is interested to sell us with a special price,
> >     please contact me with the proposal details.
> >      >>>>
> >      >>>> Thanks.
> >      >>>>
> >      >>>>
> >      >>>> --
> >      >>>> José Manuel Giner
> >      >>>> https://ginernet.com
> >      >>>>
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