[members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers

Dear members,

For confidentiality reasons, we are not always able to give an update on the status of a particular case. However, we do take all reports about brokers seriously and follow up where appropriate.

More generally, we would like to highlight that we will be applying a stricter approach to the recognised IPv4 brokers that are listed on our website.

In the past, when we received reports about a broker, we first aimed to work with them to make sure they understood the community's expectations. It is worth noting here that it can often be hard to prove absolutely that contact information was taken from a certain place or by a certain party.

However, as the list of brokers has grown, so has the number of unsolicited emails and complaints from our members. While we see some value in listing brokers who have agreed to follow a few basic requirements, we do not want to list those who regularly violate community norms and antagonise our members.

Article 6 of the Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement states that we can cancel the agreement for any reason with a one-month notice period. Moving forward, we plan to exercise this option more frequently when we receive complaints involving the brokers on our website, including reports of spamming or RIPE Database abuse.

Best Regards,

Henriette van Ingen
Customer Services Manager
RIPE NCC


> On 18 Nov 2019, at 11:05, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
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> RIPE’s legal team need to enforce usage
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> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of Alexander Zubkov <green at msu.ru <mailto:green at msu.ru>>
> Date: Saturday 16 November 2019 at 16:21
> To: "Christian.kroeger" <Christian.kroeger at onnet-communications.de <mailto:Christian.kroeger at onnet-communications.de>>, Teun Vink <teun at bit.nl <mailto:teun at bit.nl>>, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa at net-art.cz <mailto:kaa at net-art.cz>>
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> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
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> And they also dare to use RIPE logo at their FB page.
> https://www.facebook.com/Supplity-IPv4-Broker-418131872267198/ <https://www.facebook.com/Supplity-IPv4-Broker-418131872267198/>
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> 16.11.2019, 16:44, "Christian.kroeger" <christian.kroeger at onnet-communications.de <mailto:christian.kroeger at onnet-communications.de>>:
>> Same here,
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>> Multiple contacs from Supplicity. No prior business.
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>> Best Regards
>> Christian
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>> Von meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet.
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>> Von: Teun Vink <teun at bit.nl <mailto:teun at bit.nl>>
>> Datum: 16.11.19 13:29 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa at net-art.cz <mailto:kaa at net-art.cz>>
>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
>> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
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>> > On 16 Nov 2019, at 13:04, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa at net-art.cz <mailto:kaa at net-art.cz>> wrote:
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>> > Dear RIPE NCC, members,
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>> > I would like to raise an issue of misuse of the RIPE Database by the brokers. I've reported different issues to RIPE NCC, but every time I receive a reassurance that appropriate measures will be taken.
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>> > I am pretty sure that broker agreements and LIR contracts should be reviewed for every case of misuse of the RIPE NCC.
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>> > But this specific broker - Supplity - is still sending spam using the RIPE DB contacts and nothing has happened to them. So I would like to collect more data, whether someone else has reported their spam to NCC. And finally to ask a question why nothing is happened to their broker status.
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>> Hi,
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>> We've seen a number of spam mails from Supplicity in the last two days, all targeted at email addresses only used in the RIPE DB, so it's clear where they get their addresses from.
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>> To make it worse, they're actually using RIPE as sales argument in their spam:
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>> "SUPPLITY recently registered as an official broker for RIPE, because we were based in the area that the IPv4 transferring business is growing, and Your organization abroad has commercial potential in its unused IPv4 addresses."
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>> I have no idea what this 'offical broker' status means, but spamming RIPE members should be a good reason to revoke it.
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>> Regards,
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