[members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
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Aleksey Bulgakov
aleksbulgakov at gmail.com
Sat Jan 19 18:13:30 CET 2019
Hi. Every where we can hear that the RIPE NCC is non-commercial organization, but let's look deeper: all members sign the Standard Service Agreement that means that the RIPE NCC provides some services. As you know, the company, who provides services, is commercial if it isn't a Charity organization only. сб, 19 янв. 2019 г., 3:35 Terrence Koeman terrence at darkness-reigns.com: > > > The current "you have to pay for a couple more years" wording needs > > looking at - a simple "minimum membership period is 3 years" would I > > expect fix the disputable/legal ramifications, as the current setup > > isn't allowed in the UK for example > > (you cannot charge for a service that you do not, will not or cannot > > supply - so if the member no longer exists, you cannot supply them > > membership, so you cannot charge) > > This is not an issue because it is allowed in the UK. Membership is not a > service, and it is also not "supplied" to anyone. Membership entitles the > member to voting rights and the possibility to request resources according > to policies that passed a vote open to all members. But the membership > itself is NOT a service. > > The fees members pay are used to fund RIPE's services, but those services > are not provided to its members. RIPE's services are provided to the global > Internet. So, a member is not paying RIPE for resources or any other > service; one becomes a member to join in the governance, and help fund the > services, of RIPE. > > You are confusing a RIPE membership with something like a gym > "membership", which is not really a membership but (legally) a > subscription. The two are very different. > > -- > Regards, > Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > Please quote relevant replies. > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20190119/0c2c2fbf/attachment.html>
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