[members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support

Hi.

Every where we can hear that the  RIPE NCC is non-commercial organization,
but let's look deeper: all members sign the Standard Service Agreement that
means that the RIPE NCC provides some services. As you know, the company,
who provides services, is commercial if it isn't a Charity organization
only.

сб, 19 янв. 2019 г., 3:35 Terrence Koeman terrence at darkness-reigns.com:

>
> > The current "you have to pay for a couple more years" wording needs
> > looking at - a simple "minimum membership period is 3 years" would I
> > expect fix the disputable/legal ramifications, as the current setup
> > isn't allowed in the UK for example
> > (you cannot charge for a service that you do not, will not or cannot
> > supply - so if the member no longer exists, you cannot supply them
> > membership, so you cannot charge)
>
> This is not an issue because it is allowed in the UK. Membership is not a
> service, and it is also not "supplied" to anyone. Membership entitles the
> member to voting rights and the possibility to request resources according
> to policies that passed a vote open to all members. But the membership
> itself is NOT a service.
>
> The fees members pay are used to fund RIPE's services, but those services
> are not provided to its members. RIPE's services are provided to the global
> Internet. So, a member is not paying RIPE for resources or any other
> service; one becomes a member to join in the governance, and help fund the
> services, of RIPE.
>
> You are confusing a RIPE membership with something like a gym
> "membership", which is not really a membership but (legally) a
> subscription. The two are very different.
>
> --
> Regards,
>    Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
>       Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
>
> Please quote relevant replies.
>
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