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Varasdy Imre Csaba
csvarasdy at ms.hu
Fri Jan 18 13:21:43 CET 2019
Aleksey, if i'm right, the rule is, every member can ask for his last /22 allocation. So If you need more /22, than you have two options: 1) buy from the market 2) register a new LIR, ask for the /22 (and maybe merge your accounts later) On 2019. 01. 18. 13:15, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote: > Hi. > > RIPE can say that each /22 must be registered in additional account. > Don't you know our dear RIPE, do you?))) > > пт, 18 янв. 2019 г., 14:40 Azer Karyagdy azer at karyagdy.com > <mailto:azer at karyagdy.com>: > > Hello Ivaylo, > > You miss important point from RIPE. RIPE do not sell anything. > RIPE is non profit organisation based on membership. Each member > charged only for membership and nothing more. Therefore membership > fee have not any relation with number of resources hold by each > member. Therefore, before talking about charge schemes we need > change this base terms. I am agreed (as i believe and many other > LIR's) that current situation seems to be unfair and it is not > stimulate big actor to free up unused ipv4 ip's. It is usual > practice in the world that who taken more resources pay for more. > IPV4 is resources and they has own cost on free market. We cannot > ignore this. Perhaps we need some explanation from RIPE to get > more details why RIPE cannot use this way? May be some legal issue > existing? > > Best Regards > Azer > > ----- Исходное сообщение ----- > > > > Hello, Gert > > > > Yes, you are right the maths do not allow. In future it is sure we > > will > > have to migrate to IPV6 because IPV4 cant cover the needs. > > > > BUT.... > > > > To can migration happen we all (LIRs) must be pushed in almost same > > time. > > This will not happen if one LIR strugling with resources need, and > > other > > have bunch of unused such. Even the fee per year for single IPV4 to > > become > > 1000 EURO it will put presure on some LIRs and not to all. We are > > going on > > that way now. And it only opens the door for some people to make > easy > > money from us fast. > > > > Also the charging scheme must be FAIR for all members. I cant see > > other > > way than to be calculate on consumed resources. > > > > > > Such charging scheme that we are talking about was never been in the > > past. > > Before 2014, I think, The charging scheme was based on categories > > with > > complicated calculation of assignments from previous and current > year > > and > > something like this. > > > > Now I am talking about such scheme: > > > > LIR-1 have 1 x /24 annual membership fee: > > 350 EURO > > > > LIR-2 have 4 x /24 annual membership fee: > > 350 EURO + (4-1) * 10 EURO = 380 EURO > > > > LIR-3 have 64 x /24 annual membership fee: > > 350 EURO + (64-1) * 10 EURO = 990 EURO > > > > LIR-4 have 1024 x /24 annual membership fee: > > 350 EURO + (1024-1) * 10 EURO = 10580 EURO > > > > Also changing in rules: > > LIR cant sell give on lease or transfer to other LIR resources. If > > you > > need resources ask RIPE NCC, to lower your fee and have unused > > resources > > return to RIPE NCC. > > > > > > Ivaylo Josifov > > Varteh LTD > > Varna Bulgaria > > > > > > > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, Gert Doering wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 08:33:34PM +0100, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue > > > srl wrote: > > >> this sound a very nice approach that could clearly put all on the > > >> same > > >> plane: you can spend as you need ipv4 or you can return them if > > >> you > > >> don't use it... > > > > > > The maths do not permit "spend as you need IPv4". The big telcos > > > with > > > tens of millions of users and the cloud providers provably *need* > > > all IPv4 > > > there is. We've been at this point before, like, 15 years ago... > > > > > > Gert Doering > > > -- NetMaster > > > -- > > > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > > > > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, > > > Michael Emmer > > > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. > > > Grundner-Culemann > > > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > > > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/azer%40karyagdy.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/csvarasdy%40ms.hu -- Üdvözlettel, Best Regards, ]=============================.signature===================[ Ifj. 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