[members-discuss] WG: Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List

I vote for keeping the list, and if there was a way to verify reliable
brokers easily, that would be a bonus.

I am not in favor of RIPE acting as a broker at this time.

tim


On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:44 AM Heng Lu <h.lu at outsideheaven.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am not very comfortable with idea have ripe become some sort of
> regulatory for brokerage market...
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> Maxemilian Hilbrand <maxemilian.hilbrand at isicore.com>于2019年12月19日
> 周四22:39写道：
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>> I would also vote for option B
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>> As I completely understand that costs were associated with LIR accounts,
>> a fee for transferring IP address spaces is justified. Assuming, the most
>> of us did not “purchase” IP addresses before (we run out of IPv4), a source
>> of trusted traders would be essential to make a transaction. Even better
>> would be to get the addresses directly from the LIR.
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>> Furthermore, RIPE might suggest a price per IP address or limit the
>> price. This would avoid excessive trading and money-making with initially
>> “free” addresses.
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>> *Von:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *Im Auftrag
>> von *Lilia Carvalho via members-discuss
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2019 15:18
>> *An:* Schnabeltier <ripe-member-discuss at cidr.eu>;
>> members-discuss at ripe.net
>> *Betreff:* Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List
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>> I would vote for option B …
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>> *Sent:* 19 de dezembro de 2019 10:38
>> *To:* members-discuss at ripe.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List
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>> Dear colleagues,
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>>
>> I think we have three options. I would vote for option B:
>>
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>> A) Keeping the list.
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>> B) We would consider it as important to have a list of reliable brokers.
>> The RIPE NCC would only publish information of brokers which are verified.
>> If the majority would vote for this option, we have to find a solution how
>> to verify the integrity of brokers.
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>> C) We do not consider a list of reliable brokers as important. While RIPE
>> NCC cannot or does not want to validate the integrity of brokers at this
>> moment, the list should be removed.
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>> ------------------------------
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>> *From:* Christian Kaufmann <exec-board at ripe.net
>> <http:///email/new/1/exec-board%40ripe.net>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 19. Dec 2019 – 10:17 CET +0100
>> *To:* members-discuss at ripe.net
>> <http:///email/new/1/members-discuss%40ripe.net>
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>> *Subject:* [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List
>>
>> Dear RIPE NCC members,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Executive Board has been following this discussion and we can see
>>
>> general agreement for a change in the way brokers are listed on the RIPE
>>
>> NCC's website.
>>
>>
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>> The question is whether the RIPE NCC should remove the list entirely, or
>>
>> otherwise take steps to improve its approach. There are pros and cons
>>
>> with both options.
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>> Removing the list is straightforward and would spare the RIPE NCC a few
>>
>> headaches. However, it is worth considering whether the current model
>>
>> provides some incentive for brokers to play by the rules and what might
>>
>> happen if this incentive is gone.
>>
>>
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>> Conversely, it's clear that some brokers are still spamming RIPE
>>
>> Database contacts. Is this the only problem we are seeking to eliminate
>>
>> here, or are there others? Could an updated set of terms or a stricter
>>
>> approach by the RIPE NCC help to mitigate this?
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>> Before the board makes its decision, we would like to hear your thoughts
>>
>> on this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Christian Kaufmann
>>
>> RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman
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